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Official Trey Burke Rising Stars Game Thread

Fabtrey said:
lillard - 34.5 inch no step, 39.5 inch max vert, 6ft 1 3/4, and 7ft 11 1/2 standing reach
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Damian-Lillard-6152/

trey - 29.5 no step, 36.5 inch max vert, 5ft 11 3/4, and 8ft 1 1/2 standing reach
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Trey-Burke-36200/

but lillard has bigger wingspan - meaning lillard has much wider shoulders and trey's arm is long as hell.

and look at the no step vert. trey is only 29 1/2 inch. basically trey never worked out in his life. just look at the bench number. 185lb 3 times? that's weak sauce. seriously.

and no step vert is all about doing squat. there is no ifs and buts about it. NFLers have much better no step vert than NBA players because they squat to death weekly basis.
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What?

I don't care about all those other measurements. The only ones that matter in dunking are standing reach, max vertical, and hand size. Lillard's longer wingspan might allude to bigger hands though, which certainly makes dunking easier. The biggest problem a lot of players have with dunking is palming the ball.

And why would you list barefoot height? Last time I checked, no one dunks without shoes in the NBA.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
What?

I don't care about all those other measurements. The only ones that matter in dunking are standing reach, max vertical, and hand size. Lillard's longer wingspan might allude to bigger hands though, which certainly makes dunking easier. The biggest problem a lot of players have with dunking is palming the ball.

And why would you list barefoot height? Last time I checked, no one dunks without shoes in the NBA.
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i'm just comparing their athleticism, etc. basically trey isn't far off from lillard. and his long arms make for his vert. and maybe lilard is 2 leg hopper? bottom line, trey should look more athletic on court. but he just doesn't look the part. maybe he just doesn't play at full speed.

and barefoot matters. i'm 6ft 1 and i don't go around telling everyone that i'm 6ft 2 1/2 with my nikes on.
 
fishonjazz said:
Agreed.
Lillard can get up way higher, faster, and easier than trey.

The numbers dont make any sense
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it's like NFL. combine speed and sunday speed are 2 very different thing.

Jeremy Lin has one of the fastest time ever in court sprint. he is indeed the fastest guy for houston. lin is fast as hell in straight line for sure. but is he really faster than d rose or westbrook? i have my doubts.
 
Fabtrey said:
i'm just comparing their athleticism, etc. basically trey isn't far off from lillard. he should look more athletic on court. maybe he just doesn't play at full speed.

and barefoot matters. i'm 6ft 1 and i don't go around telling everyone that i'm 6ft 2 1/2 with my nikes on.
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Barefoot does not matter. It's just used so players can't come into the combine with shoes that have soles that are 3'' high.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Barefoot does not matter. It's just used so players can't come into the combine with shoes that have soles that are 3'' high.
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don't be silly. what happens a player decide to wear old school chuck taylors on court? and next day he wears full length air max? that player would be 6ft 9 one night and then 6ft 10 the next day.

so this dude is all of sudden only 1/4 inch shorter than shaq. lol
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Spencer-Hawes-483/


stupidest thing ever.
 
da ThRONe said:
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Trey can get up he just doesn't like to use the energy.
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better shot
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trey is conserving his energy & stamina. read all the important analysis on trey including any outside view on him on TV and all of them love trey's 'pace'. greg anthony said it and many others.

trey basically is playing at 3/4 speed most of the time. he is trying to be a PG. right now he is looking to set up people first.
 
Fabtrey said:
don't be silly. what happens a player decided to wear old school chuck taylors on court? and next day he wears full length air max? that player would be 6ft 9 one night and then 6ft 10 the next day.

so this dude is all of sudden only 1/4 inch shorter than shaq. lol
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Spencer-Hawes-483/


stupidest thing ever.
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Yeah because players often play basektball in Chuck Taylors.


For the most part, NBA shoes have the same sized soles. There might be +/- a quarter inch. Most shoes give around 1.25'' of height. You will see some that are 1.5'' and some that are just 1''. Usually never higher or lower than that. With the Hawes measurement you could see it was a little ridiculous (2.25'' added), which is why they have barefoot measurements.
 
Found some measurments for Burke's hands.

8.25'' long

8.75'' wide

He has small hands, probably explains why he can't dunk well.

Lillard has 8.75'' and 9.75'' by comparison.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Yeah because players often play basektball in Chuck Taylors.


For the most part, NBA shoes have the same sized soles. There might be +/- a quarter inch. Most shoes give around 1.25'' of height. You will see some that are 1.5'' and some that are just 1''. Usually never higher or lower than that. With the Hawes measurement you could see it was a little ridiculous (2.25'' added), which is why they have barefoot measurements.
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not so fast my friend. you are misinformed. i collect shoes. i'm much taller when i wear my lebron x compared to wearing my kobe's. go try on bron X and then try few month old kobe 4, 5, 6, or 8's. kobes don't give 1 1/4 inch lift. for my size, after break in period it's no more than 1/2 inch. 5/8 at most. i wear size 11 1/2 and sometimes 12. most kobes/KDs are very low to the ground. it's made that way. but you will see big dudes wear kobes all the time.

and shoe size matters. MJ was size 13. compared to bron's 16. wade's 15.5. but how about 6ft 10 bosh? he only wears 14.5. so let's say MJ wears kobe's and Bron decides to wear bron x. 6ft 5 barefoot MJ would be 6ft 5 1/2 with kobe's on, and 6ft 7 1/4 Bron would be 6ft 9 to 6ft 9 1/4 with his lebron x's on because size 16 lebron x would be almost 2 inches especially if it is brand new.

and look at shaq. he was measured at 7ft 1 barefoot. if he wears this
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in his ridiculous size 23 shoe then shaq would be 7ft 3 1/2 ish. so it means he could possibly be listed at 7ft 4!

so basically any given night you may lose up to 1/2 inch of your height or gain 1/2 inch height. so it's very unreliable way to view player's height.
 
Fabtrey said:
not so fast my friend. you are misinformed. i collect shoes. i'm much taller when i wear my lebron x compared to wearing my kobe's. ask anybody who wear lebron's or any most kobes don't give 1 1/4 inch lift. that's laughable. after break in period it's no more than 1/2 inch. especially kobe 6 or 8. i wear size 11 1/2. most kobes/KDs are very low to the ground. it's made that way. but you will see big dudes wear kobes all the time.

and shoe size matters. MJ was size 13. compared to bron's 16. wade's 15.5. but how about 6ft 10 bosh? he only wears 14.5. so let's say MJ wears kobe's and Bron decides to wear bron x. 6ft 5 barefoot MJ would be 6ft 5 1/2 with kobe's on, and 6ft 7 1/4 Bron would be 6ft 9 to 6ft 9 1/4 with his lebron x's on because size 16 lebron x would be almost 2 inches especially if it is brand new.

so basically any given night you may lose up to 1/2 inch of your height or gain 1/2 inch height. so it's very unreliable way to view player's height.
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I stand by what I said and disregard this.
 
so you are disregarding facts and standby what you believe in. cool

6ft 4 1/2 barefoot, 6ft 6 1/4 with shoe on
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tim-Hardaway-Jr-6368/

6ft 3 3/4 barefoot, 6ft 4 3/4 with shoe on
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dwyane-Wade-4726/

6ft 3 1/4 barefoot, 6ft 4 3/4 with shoe on
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bradley-Beal-5759/

6ft 3 1/4 barefoot, 6ft 4 1/2 with shoe on
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/O.J.-Mayo-238/

6ft 2 3/4 barefoot, 6ft 4 with shoe on
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/John-Wall-1339/


unreliable data is unreliable. any of these guys can wear different footwear and will change 1/4 up to 3/4 inch of their height.
 
Fabtrey said:
so you are disregarding facts and standby what you believe in. cool

6ft 4 1/2 barefoot, 6ft 6 1/4 with shoe on
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tim-Hardaway-Jr-6368/

6ft 3 3/4 barefoot, 6ft 4 3/4 with shoe on
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dwyane-Wade-4726/

6ft 3 1/4 barefoot, 6ft 4 3/4 with shoe on
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bradley-Beal-5759/

6ft 3 1/4 barefoot, 6ft 4 1/2 with shoe on
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/O.J.-Mayo-238/

6ft 2 3/4 barefoot, 6ft 4 with shoe on
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/John-Wall-1339/


unreliable data is unreliable.
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Like I said, the combine uses barefoot measurements so teams can know they aren't cheating by wearing big-soled shoes. Shoes that are actually worn for games are usually around 1.25 inches.

Why do they even both to measure with shoes on? Because you play basketball in shoes.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Like I said, the combine uses barefoot measurements so teams can know they aren't cheating by wearing big-soled shoes. Shoes that are actually worn for games are usually around 1.25 inches.

Why do they even both to measure with shoes on? Because you play basketball in shoes.
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don't be so naive. NBA is near WWE level when it comes to making their stars look bigger and taller. go ask charles barkley or even kobe. barkley had no idea why he was listed at 6ft 7 initially. kobe always knew he was 6ft 5, but somehow he was listed at 6ft 7 in his rookie season. he actually later found out he was 6ft 4 3/4. measured by his own wife. patrick ewing was 6ft 10, but was listed at 7ft. so was hakeem. ralph sampson was listed at 7ft 4! go google ralph sampson and yao ming.

7fters are glorified in NBA. 7ft this and 7ft that. when media describes kg, dirk, duncan, etc they all say they are 7fters. and these shooting guards - it looks 'sexier' when you use the height with shoe on and round them up. tim hardaway jr. is now a prototypical shooting guard because he is listed at 6ft 6, not 6ft 4. derrick rose looks better when he is listed at 6ft 3 instead of 6ft 2. i remember collins brother interview - they were forced to be listed at 7ft. both of them were 6ft 10 1/2.

listen to espn and bron is somewhere between 6ft 8 250lb up to 6ft 9 270lb. KD is anywhere from 6ft 10 to 7ft!

it's a joke if you ask me. if they are going to use height with shoe on then just do it. be consistent. i'm fine with it. but KD is barefoot 6ft 9 and his listed height is 6ft 9. kevin love is 6ft 7 3/4 but listed at 6ft 10. d wade was measured at 6ft 3 3/4. and his listed height is 6ft 4. jason maxiell was measured at 6ft 5 even. larry johnson too. both were listed at 6ft 7. did they really have 2 inch lift on their shoe?

it'a amateurish. UFC does this too.

only legit organization is NFL when it comes to players height/weight data. by your logic NFL players should also have listed height with cleats on. after all there many positions such as TE, WR, CB, etc uses their verticals all the time on sunday. and they don't jump barefoot either.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I'm talking about NBA Draft Combine measurements. WTF are you talking about?
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i know what you are talking about and that's why i said don't be so naive. and no it's not 1 1/4 inch usually. again, i know shoes. it's my hobby. depends on the size of the footwear it's between 1/2 inch up to 2 inches lift. but yes, 1 1/4 would probably be the league avg. if JJ barea who has same shoe size as me wear kobe's then he will only gain 1/2 inch lift. and when d wade wear Ektio or any other orthodic driven basketball shoe, he could easily gain 2 inches.

nba draft combine isn't just for scouts. it's much more than just scouts who only care about basketball. NBA is a globally marketed brand. when elton brand came in and was measured at solid 6ft 9, there was a collective sigh of relief. There is a reason why orlando magic wants you to believe dwight howard is 6ft 11 not 6ft 9. spencer hawes getting listed at 7ft 1 when he is only 6ft 10 1/2. don't you think there is more than just scouts involved? so did teams know hawes was cheating? did teams look at the sole of timmy hardaway jr. shoe? and if they are concerned about players cheating, then why not just use same official shoe? i'm sure that's not that hard to do. just call nike up and i'm sure they will provide them with hyperdunks which will consistently give player 1 to 1 1/4 inch lift.

it's the WWE mentality of NBA. that's just how i see it. They started measuring height with shoe on not too long ago. Wilt, Kareem, magic, etc. they weren't measured with shoes on. there is no height with shoe on with kevin garnett. chris webber. shaq, so on. I believe nba started doing it in the late 90's officially. every teams want to have 7fters. every teams want their shooting guards to be 'prototypical'. they aren't idiots. they know how to measure players. they are using the power of marketing to misinform fans intentionally. if you go around ask random fans many will tell you bron is 6ft 9 somewhere between 265-270lb. it's just like believing andre the giant was 7ft 4. and hulk hogan was 6ft 7.

this is a good read.
https://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/34789/kevin-love-and-height-liars-in-shoes

like the author said, all i want is a damn accuracy. or at least consistency. just use the damn height with shoe as a listed height. i'll be happy with it.
 
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also these are minor factors:

1. socks - yes. some players/ballers double sock. i used to do that too because of my blisters.

2. napoleon complex - some dudes like sylvester stallone, tom cruise add lifts in their shoe. and surprisingly some big a$$ dudes too. they just love the fact they are tall, but want you to believe that they are taller. go google andre the giant. you will see him wearing ridiculous cowboy boots alot with giant afro. he really wanted you to believe he was 7ft 4. hulk did the same. so if somebody was getting listed 2 inches taller than his true height than maybe he wants not to disappoint the fans, or maybe he just want you to believe that he is that tall by adding inserts in the shoe.

3. dr. scholls - i'm a casual baller. i know many dudes who buy bigger shoes because they don't want to hurt their toes when they slash. as a matter of fact, my league teammate buys size 13 when he is really only size 12. and he adds gel insoles/inserts because his feet is narrow and he likes the cushy shoe. he is an inch taller than me, but on the court now he has 2 inches on me because i wear my kobes and he wears size 13 foams


for the longest time i believed sampson was 7ft 4.
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hakeem was advertised at 7ft, so pimping sampson at 7ft 4 made sense.
 
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