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QuinSnydersHair

QuinSnydersHair

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Passing.

We lead the league (by far) in passes and yet we're dead last in the Western Conference in assists. I think that's pretty telling.

We want to be the Spurs but we just don't have the personnel to be them. Ironically the Dubs do. Bogut and Green up front are elite passing big men. And we know Curry is and Thompson as well. Are Favors and Gobert ever going to have a lot of games with 4-5 assists per night? I love these guys but ultimately is our ceiling going to be severely limited because they just don't have innate passing instincts? Because for me personally, true passing isn't really something you can teach.

Discuss.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Passing.

We lead the league (by far) in passes and yet we're dead last in the Western Conference in assists. I think that's pretty telling.

We want to be the Spurs but we just don't have the personnel to be them. Ironically the Dubs do. Bogut and Green up front are elite passing big men. And we know Curry is and Thompson as well. Are Favors and Gobert ever going to have a lot of games with 4-5 assists per night? I love these guys but ultimately is our ceiling going to be severely limited because they just don't have innate passing instincts? Because for me personally, true passing isn't really something you can teach.

Discuss.
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Gobert is averaging 3.3 assists over the last 3. Along with 2 spg over the last 3. If this new development holds (his passing is way better than it was in even early January) then that's 1 elite passing big.
 
Stoked said:
Gobert is averaging 3.3 assists over the last 3. Along with 2 spg over the last 3. If this new development holds (his passing is way better than it was in even early January) then that's 1 elite passing big.
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Let's re-check this after another 7-9 games...10-12 is a solid little sample size. But I think my point's a valid one. We don't have guys who just inherently know how to pass and when our guys do pass, there is not any sort of crispness to it. Some of our awful passing with its' lack of crispness and awkwardness boggles my mind.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Let's re-check this after another 7-9 games...10-12 is a solid little sample size. But I think my point's a valid one. We don't have guys who just inherently know how to pass and when our guys do pass, there is not any sort of crispness to it. Some of our awful passing with its' lack of crispness and awkwardness boggles my mind.
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Oh I agree that your point is valid. I am just saying that if Gobert maintains the numbers he has over the last 3 then we will have seen him become an very good (I'll change it from elite) passing big. Yes he needs to continue it for more than 3 games. But with the way Gobert is playing and his attitude and drive I would be surprised if he doesn't.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Passing.

We lead the league (by far) in passes and yet we're dead last in the Western Conference in assists. I think that's pretty telling.
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To be fair, a lot of our passes are those ones out top that aren't intended to lead to a shot, just setting up the offense. And
Gobert is showing some real flair for passing.
 
Our biggest weakness is lack of offensive talent. Our endless passes to no where is just a byproduct of that weakness. Players are getting the ball and they just can't do anything with it.

During the Bulls game the Chicago play-by-play guy nailed it: The Jazz execute well on offense they just don't have players who can score.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Actually our biggest weakness may be leadership, aka having players who can be ballsy, vocal leaders.
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Possibly Gobert as well. At least defensively. I've seen him out there pointing players to their spot and literally pushing Kanter lol.
 
No way.

We lack shooting. Hard to get an assist when you are constantly passing out to wide open 3 point shooters who either pass up shots or miss shots.
 
Also, our wing play is just pathetic. How many fast breaks have we ****ed up lately because one of our wings can finish or get fouled other than Hayward?
 
We just don't have that much talent right now.

Favors has been playing great as of late, Hayward is good, and Rudy is getting better and I love his game, but he doesn't add a lot outside of defense most games. Burke is good at running the offense, but he's an average player at best, and we're starting Joe Ingles. Joe Ingles. Kanter is good offensively, but he's also a blackhole. Our bench is beyond putrid. Exum hardly looks like a basketball player most games. We just don't have talent.
 
Hantlers said:
We just don't have that much talent right now.

Favors has been playing great as of late, Hayward is good, and Rudy is getting better and I love his game, but he doesn't add a lot outside of defense most games. Burke is good at running the offense, but he's an average player at best, and we're starting Joe Ingles. Joe Ingles. Kanter is good offensively, but he's also a blackhole. Our bench is beyond putrid. Exum hardly looks like a basketball player most games. We just don't have talent.
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We basically have garbage for a bench outside of Rudy. Here is what the Jazz have let walk away for essentially nothing. Wessley Mathews 16.6 ppg, Sap 16.9 ppg, JYD 11.6 ppg, Foye 8.4 ppg, Al 18 ppg, Marvin 7 ppg and Mo 12.4 ppg and 6.6 assists. The assists is more than any Jazz player. Add these guys to the mix and how would we do?
 
Hantlers said:
We just don't have that much talent right now.

Favors has been playing great as of late, Hayward is good, and Rudy is getting better and I love his game, but he doesn't add a lot outside of defense most games. Burke is good at running the offense, but he's an average player at best, and we're starting Joe Ingles. Joe Ingles. Kanter is good offensively, but he's also a blackhole. Our bench is beyond putrid. Exum hardly looks like a basketball player most games. We just don't have talent.
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I think the Jazz have a ton of talent. Some of it is injured right now like Burks and Hood. We simply don't have shooters.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Passing.

We lead the league (by far) in passes and yet we're dead last in the Western Conference in assists. I think that's pretty telling.

We want to be the Spurs but we just don't have the personnel to be them. Ironically the Dubs do. Bogut and Green up front are elite passing big men. And we know Curry is and Thompson as well. Are Favors and Gobert ever going to have a lot of games with 4-5 assists per night? I love these guys but ultimately is our ceiling going to be severely limited because they just don't have innate passing instincts? Because for me personally, true passing isn't really something you can teach.

Discuss.
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Our lack of assists has more to do with how slow we play (fewer possessions) than passing talent. I think we have quite a few solid passers. When you play as slow as we do, passing the ball around the floor for 20+ seconds, you are going to have more passes and less assists. A better measure would be assists per possession, which the Jazz currently rank #21 (.213) and are only .003 behind the Raptors who are #16. Thus, we are very close to league average here.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/assists-per-possession

To me there is NO QUESTION what our biggest weakness is.........SHOOTING!
 
homeytennis said:
We basically have garbage for a bench outside of Rudy. Here is what the Jazz have let walk away for essentially nothing. Wessley Mathews 16.6 ppg, Sap 16.9 ppg, JYD 11.6 ppg, Foye 8.4 ppg, Al 18 ppg, Marvin 7 ppg and Mo 12.4 ppg and 6.6 assists. The assists is more than any Jazz player. Add these guys to the mix and how would we do?
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Just stop...
 
Hantlers said:
We just don't have that much talent right now.

Favors has been playing great as of late, Hayward is good, and Rudy is getting better and I love his game, but he doesn't add a lot outside of defense most games. Burke is good at running the offense, but he's an average player at best, and we're starting Joe Ingles. Joe Ingles. Kanter is good offensively, but he's also a blackhole. Our bench is beyond putrid. Exum hardly looks like a basketball player most games. We just don't have talent.
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This.
Especially the part about the bench
 
This draft will be interesting to see where we land. Always take bpa but man I hope that bpa is a shooter that plays some D.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Who are you thinking? Justice Winslow?
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You are asking the wrong guy. I couldn't even tell you the single name of a potential draftee. Not my thing. Just saying that I hope there is a good shooting wing that plays D as that seems to be a big problem for the Jazz.
 
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