Post Stocton vs. post Deron rebuild

[jazzfan1971]

When Stockton and Malone left the Jazz were set to have the worst record EVER. Instead we were treated to watch a ragtag bunch of nobodies (and AK) fight and claw their way to 42 wins. It was a really fun season for Jazz fans to watch. We knew we weren't going to win a championship with those guys, but, you had to pull for them anyway.

They ran the plays, set screens, ran hard and most of all hit the offensive glass like crazy. Some times you'd shake your head because all that hard work resulted in the Jazz missing an open 15 foot jumper while the other team would come down and make a 25 foot fadeaway with 2 guys on him, but, you could still appreciate the effort.

We're only one game into the season so far, but, I am not getting the same vibe. I guess Kanter really worked the boards, but other than that not much to cheer for. I didn't see much of any offense run. There weren't a lot of folks moving around screens. And there were precious few open 15 footers to brick.

I don't really care if they win or lose, but, I want to see them putting out the effort. I want to see them running a system. I want to see some heart.

I'm hoping to see more of that post-Stockton magic next game, because the Jazz will quickly become unwatchable if they dont' offer a better product than what they threw out there yesterday against the Lakers.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

T'were I a coach, I'd be extremely upset at the team's lack of fight. I'd spend the next five games figuring out who wants to play and play them almost exclusively. If that bunch is Millsap, Favors, Kanter, Bell, and Tinsley, that's who I play, regardless of the results. Doesn't matter the results. It's who wants to play.

 

[friendsinmyhead]

When Stockton and Malone left the Jazz were set to have the worst record EVER. Instead we were treated to watch a ragtag bunch of nobodies (and AK) fight and claw their way to 42 wins. It was a really fun season for Jazz fans to watch. We knew we weren't going to win a championship with those guys, but, you had to pull for them anyway.

They ran the plays, set screens, ran hard and most of all hit the offensive glass like crazy. Some times you'd shake your head because all that hard work resulted in the Jazz missing an open 15 foot jumper while the other team would come down and make a 25 foot fadeaway with 2 guys on him, but, you could still appreciate the effort.

We're only one game into the season so far, but, I am not getting the same vibe. I guess Kanter really worked the boards, but other than that not much to cheer for. I didn't see much of any offense run. There weren't a lot of folks moving around screens. And there were precious few open 15 footers to brick.

I don't really care if they win or lose, but, I want to see them putting out the effort. I want to see them running a system. I want to see some heart.

I'm hoping to see more of that post-Stockton magic next game, because the Jazz will quickly become unwatchable if they dont' offer a better product than what they threw out there yesterday against the Lakers.

+1 Excellent post -I feel the same way. There was no teamwork, the ball movement was piss poor and it didn't appear that there were 5 hungry guys on the court willing to do whatever it takes to win.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Post Stockton rebuild had a full training camp and preseason.

 

[friendsinmyhead]

Post Stockton rebuild had a full training camp and preseason.

thats a valid point. But weren't you just being critical of Kanter in other post because of his difficulty last night? Didn't he miss out on a full training camp and preseason?

 

[MVP]

Post Stockton rebuild had a full training camp and preseason.

They had All-star and arguably the top 10 player in NBA that year. What this Jazz team has now?

 

[Deleted member 848]

They had All-star and arguably the top 10 player in NBA that year. What this Jazz team has now?

He right Cy, what all-star have Utah now? There is no MVP like MVP we have in 2004.

 

[friendsinmyhead]

They had All-star and arguably the top 10 player in NBA that year. What this Jazz team has now?

Not to mention a hall of fame coach.

 

[carolinajazz]

They had All-star and arguably the top 10 player in NBA that year. What this Jazz team has now?

...news flash! Stockton and Malone left the same year! Stockton retired and Malone went to the Lakers. If you think Deron was top 10 that year, your smoking dope!

 

[MVP]

...news flash! Stockton and Malone left the same year! Stockton retired and Malone went to the Lakers. If you think Deron was top 10 that year, your smoking dope!

Lol, Deron was not even in NBA. Check 2004 Jazz roster maybe you will find the right answer if you can't remember.

 

[vslice02]

When Stockton and Malone left the Jazz were set to have the worst record EVER. Instead we were treated to watch a ragtag bunch of nobodies (and AK) fight and claw their way to 42 wins. It was a really fun season for Jazz fans to watch. We knew we weren't going to win a championship with those guys, but, you had to pull for them anyway.

They ran the plays, set screens, ran hard and most of all hit the offensive glass like crazy. Some times you'd shake your head because all that hard work resulted in the Jazz missing an open 15 foot jumper while the other team would come down and make a 25 foot fadeaway with 2 guys on him, but, you could still appreciate the effort.

We're only one game into the season so far, but, I am not getting the same vibe. I guess Kanter really worked the boards, but other than that not much to cheer for. I didn't see much of any offense run. There weren't a lot of folks moving around screens. And there were precious few open 15 footers to brick.

I don't really care if they win or lose, but, I want to see them putting out the effort. I want to see them running a system. I want to see some heart.

I'm hoping to see more of that post-Stockton magic next game, because the Jazz will quickly become unwatchable if they dont' offer a better product than what they threw out there yesterday against the Lakers.

Agree 100%. 2003-04 was Jerry Sloan's greatest coaching achievement and the epitomy of what happens when you play hard and you play smart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb4ydXzmPKQ

One difference I see early (and it's very early in the season) is the 03-04 team trusted the offense and the system. In Jazzbasketball, you can tell when players don't trust the offense because it often results in quick jumpshots from the perimeter and that's what I saw last night. When you buy into the system you have the patience knowing if you stick with it, you'll get quality looks at the basket, opportunities for layups - and most importantly you'll have the floor balance that will prevent teams from beating you in transition.

Sometimes getting your ears kicked in early is a great thing for a young team. Ty can preach it all he wants but sometimes guys think things will be a cakewalk and a first-hand experience of what it takes to compete is necessary to wake them up. I'm not ready to jump off any Jazz bridges just yet...even if we get blown out in Denver tonight. I feel after Friday night's game we'll get a more accurate sense of where this team is at.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Another difference is Ty is trying to go 12-13 deep. I think that directive comes from upstairs (Miller and KOC). If this were Sloan's team, the vets would all get 30+ mins and Kanter and Burks would be buried deep on the bench. It's often going to be painful to watch, but we've all yelled at Sloan in the past for not developing the young players. Well, this is the way to do it...throw them in with a couple of veterans (which is the case with both the 1st and 2nd units) and put up with all the mistakes and inconsistency, especially early in the season.

 

[vslice02]

Another difference is Ty is trying to go 12-13 deep. I think that directive comes from upstairs (Miller and KOC). If this were Sloan's team, the vets would all get 30+ mins and Kanter and Burks would be buried deep on the bench. It's often going to be painful to watch, but we've all yelled at Sloan in the past for not developing the young players. Well, this is the way to do it...throw them in with a couple of veterans (which is the case with both the 1st and 2nd units) and put up with all the mistakes and inconsistency, especially early in the season.

Actually Sloan would give rookies minutes early in the season (Lewis in 99-00, DeShawn in 00-01, AK/Collins in 01-02, DWill in 05-06, CJ Miles/Brewer in 06-07, Koufos in 07-08), then bury them on the bench for much of midseason and depending on how they responded to him either play them down the stretch or keep them buried. Burks and Kanter playing in the first two games isn't an abberration, but it will be interesting to see if they remain constants in the rotation as the season progresses.

Also I disagree about a directive of minutes coming from "upstairs" - or atleast not from Kevin O'Connor. O'Connor is not the type of GM to give his head coach orders - whether that coach is a hall-of-famer or Ty Corbin.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

If Keon Clark actually wanted to play that year, we would have probably been in the playoffs. Sad thing is a washed up Tom Gugliotta played harder than half of these guys on this team.

 

[MVP]

If Keon Clark actually wanted to play that year, we would have probably been in the playoffs. Sad thing is a washed up Tom Gugliotta played harder than half of these guys on this team.

He got fractured bone in his ankle after second game of the season and could not play. Had nothing to do with wanting or not.