Question About Joseph Smith

[fishonjazz]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_and_the_criminal_justice_system

Here is an overview. Google Joseph Smith and glass looking trial to find exerpts from the trial in 1826. JS also talks about the trial in the PoGP. The BOM was translated in 1829 using the same method Smith was convicted for in 1826 (using a hat with a magic device inside). Be was charged with the same crime again but he left for Ohio. Fascinating stuff.

Wait....... You could get convicted of using magic hats back then? Lolololololololol at the old timey laws and courts.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Wait....... You could get convicted of using magic hats back then? Lolololololololol at the old timey laws and courts.

You could get convicted of conning people out of money. Most people were very uneducated and superstitious back then. Treasure finding cons were very common back then.

 

[Gameface]

I haven't read this thread yet but I just want to say I regret starting it at all.

I've avoided Jazzfanz for the last couple days so I don't have to look at it.

 

[Gameface]

I haven't read this thread yet but I just want to say I regret starting it at all.

I've avoided Jazzfanz for the last couple days so I don't have to look at it.

Probably better than a porn bomb though...

 

[Dr. Jones]

Probably better than a porn bomb though...

The two are at opposite ends of the spectrum... Or is it ******?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Correctum??

Can't believe ****** is censored and ******* is not. Lol

 

[Carbon13]

Correctum??

Can't believe ****** is censored and ******* is not. Lol

WhoOAAOOAO! Oh the possibilities!

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[Dr. Jones]

WhoOAAOOAO! Oh the possibilities!

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Weird. It's like I just clicked here - https://jazzfanz.com/memberlist.php?order=desc&sort=posts&pp=30

 

[Surely]

Weird. It's like I just clicked here - https://jazzfanz.com/memberlist.php?order=desc&sort=posts&pp=30

That was awesome. I found myself on page 9 with 501 posts!!! Man, no wonder I can never get anything done.

 

[colton]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_and_the_criminal_justice_system

Here is an overview. Google Joseph Smith and glass looking trial to find exerpts from the trial in 1826. JS also talks about the trial in the PoGP. The BOM was translated in 1829 using the same method Smith was convicted for in 1826 (using a hat with a magic device inside). Be was charged with the same crime again but he left for Ohio. Fascinating stuff.

Thanks for the reference. I've read a bit about the 1826 trial in the past few days (the Wikipedia article, a few pro-LDS sources, a few anti-LDS sources, and a possibly impartial source). My conclusion is that the 1826 event wasn't actually a trial, rather it was a hearing of some sort. (Possibly a pre-trial hearing, where things didn't end up proceeding to a trial.) And, since it wasn't a trial, even though the judge apparently ruled against Joseph Smith, Smith wasn't actually convicted of anything. Evidence that he wasn't convicted includes the facts that he didn't have to pay any fines, any court costs, or do any jail time.

Anyway, what had surprised me the most about your assertion was the claim that Smith had been convicted of fraud or something similar. To my knowledge he wasn't ever convicted of any crime, and that's still my opinion after reading about the 1826 event. That's quite possibly not what you yourself were most interested in--it seems like the thing that you found most interesting was the evidence that Smith had used a "seer stone" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seer_stone_(Latter_Day_Saints)) prior to translating the Book of Mormon. That part doesn't surprise me as much... if he used a seer stone for translating much of the Book of Mormon, and quite possibly for receiving some of the early revelations in the Doctrine and Covenants (some discussion of that here https://rationalfaiths.com/joseph-smiths-use-of-seer-stones-in-the-revealing-of-the-book-of-mormon/), then it seems plausible that he could have received other early revelations via a similar process.

 

[LogGrad98]

Using the urim and thumim to find buried treasure?

 

[Revolution 9]

Using the urim and thumim to find buried treasure?

You guys made it down to Munich ok? The heat wave was intense yesterday (and today already).