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Ransom to Iran

Dr. Jones said:
At least Reagan called it like it was. He was wrong but he owned it.
And please don't drag this back into a partisan debate.

It's a matter of right and wrong, lies and truths, regardless of political persuasion.
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He initially either didn't know, or tried to cover up what had happened. It did major damage to his presidency and eventually he owned it, as you said. Regardless, it seems bizarre that anyone would bring up Reagan's actions in that event as justification for this one.
 
dalamon said:
https://on.cfr.org/2aCBQ9h


In case ppl forget what deal Reagan striked with Iran for a total of ZERO US hostages
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How dare you?
President Reagan was a great man. He defeated the communists got that bloody wall torn down an lowered taxes. He is probably the most humanitarian president since Lincoln. He practically invented are current foreign policy of fighting without firing a single bullet.
 
Even if the cash sent to Iran was exchanged for hostages, the Reagan administration sold Iran weapons to free hostages. Oliver North and his cronies Eliot and Poindexter then turned around to use the proceeds to illegally fund the Contras. If you think North, Poindexter, and Reagan are heroes, but Obama's a villain, you're being biased. That's what I'm speaking on, here.
 
dalamon said:
Even if the cash sent to Iran was exchanged for hostages, the Reagan administration sold Iran weapons to free hostages. Oliver North and his cronies Eliot and Poindexter then turned around to use the proceeds to illegally fund the Contras. If you think North, Poindexter, and Reagan are heroes, but Obama's a villain, you're being biased. That's what I'm speaking on, here.
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It's mostly aimed towards Joe who slams everything Obama related (seemingly) yet ppl worship Reagan.

Obama is allowed to be critiqued, and I do so regularly. But perspective is important too
 
I think its important to understand that the $400 million is money we owed Iran. We had a deal with the Shah to sell them some fighter planes in the seventies. He paid but since he was deposed we never delivered the jets.

This payment and the release of US citizens were all a part of the larger framework of the Iran Nuclear Treaty.

Treating this as some outrageous scandal is a great way to out yourself as a partisan hack :)
 
dalamon said:
It's mostly aimed towards Joe who slams everything Obama related (seemingly) yet ppl worship Reagan.

Obama is allowed to be critiqued, and I do so regularly. But perspective is important too
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Reagan's arms for hostages deal was wrong. The Contra deal was wrong. He is not a hero for either of those situations. He should not have done either of them and he eventually had to face up to that fact.

If the US owed Iran money it should not have been paid secretly in unmarked bills, no matter what. Obama bragged about how transparent his administration was going to be. It has been anything but transparent, and this is yet another in a long, long line of examples.
 
Zombie said:
I think its important to understand that the $400 million is money we owed Iran. We had a deal with the Shah to sell them some fighter planes in the seventies. He paid but since he was deposed we never delivered the jets.

This payment and the release of US citizens were all a part of the larger framework of the Iran Nuclear Treaty.

Treating this as some outrageous scandal is a great way to out yourself as a partisan hack :)
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Please send me a plane load of unmarked bills.
 
Zombie said:
It was reported back in january when it happened actually. Just because you weren't paying attention doesn`t make it a secret.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/18/...nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=1
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Strange that they left out the part where we agreed to send a plane load of unmarked bills. That seems like a really big deal, especially because many terrorism experts say that cash is necessary for funding terrorism.

The Iran deal seems like a bad joke. The idea that some world court might have obligated America to pay $10 billion to the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world would seems like a joke as well.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Reagan's arms for hostages deal was wrong. The Contra deal was wrong. He is not a hero for either of those situations. He should not have done either of them and he eventually had to face up to that fact.

If the US owed Iran money it should not have been paid secretly in unmarked bills, no matter what. Obama bragged about how transparent his administration was going to be. It has been anything but transparent, and this is yet another in a long, long line of examples.
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Obama has been hilariously non-transparent, I'm hoping there are few ppl left in this planet willing to argue otherwise
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Strange that they left out the part where we agreed to send a plane load of unmarked bills. That seems like a really big deal, especially because many terrorism experts say that cash is necessary for funding terrorism.

The Iran deal seems like a bad joke. The idea that some world court might have obligated America to pay $10 billion to the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world would seems like a joke as well.
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What's the #1 state sponsor of terrorism again? Link?
 
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