I am always amazed after I sit down and plunk off a post without any thought at all, that people will take it seriously. I always laugh at it, for sure.
Better to laugh with anyone than to sit and laugh alone.
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I am always amazed after I sit down and plunk off a post without any thought at all, that people will take it seriously. I always laugh at it, for sure.
Better to laugh with anyone than to sit and laugh alone.
He framed all of that horribly. He did not need to specifically list half a dozen things Rosenbaum did that make him look bad, including a few that are clearly criminal.
All he needed to say was that nothing he did posed a threat to Rittenhouse up until Rittenhouse threatened him with a deadly weapon. Nor did Rosenbaum threaten the life or limb of any other person, nor was the punishment for anything he did death, yet Rittenhouse decided to play judge, jury and executioner and executed him (not sure the judge would allow the use of the word "execute" to describe Rittenhouse's actions but if he didn't sub in "killed" and it's the same thing).
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I'm good with that. I do hope he is found guilty on some lesser charges but I don't think he should be found guilty of murder.
Avery
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My guess on how he's found on the charges:
COUNT 1: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Not Guilty
COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Not Guilty, but I do think there's a decent chance he gets second-degree instead which is a lesser charge that the jury has the option on
COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Not Guilty
COUNT 4: FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Not Guilty
COUNT 5: ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Not Guilty
COUNT 6: POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON BY A PERSON UNDER 18 - Already Dismissed
COUNT 7: FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH AN EMERGENCY ORDER FROM STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT - Already Dismissed (pointless charge anyway of a fine up to $200)
COUNT 1: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Not Guilty
COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Not Guilty, but I do think there's a decent chance he gets second-degree instead which is a lesser charge that the jury has the option on
COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Not Guilty
COUNT 4: FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Not Guilty
COUNT 5: ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Not Guilty
COUNT 6: POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON BY A PERSON UNDER 18 - Already Dismissed
COUNT 7: FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH AN EMERGENCY ORDER FROM STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT - Already Dismissed (pointless charge anyway of a fine up to $200)
The Thriller
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Babbit and Rittenhouse are now considered heroes by the right.
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If this isn’t a ringing endorsement, I don’t know what is.
Avery
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I'm guessing it will be a hung jury with a 50/50 on granting the mistrial. Seemingly everything about this trial has become a Rorschach test with people seeing what they want to see. I'm thinking it will be that way inside the jury too.
Avery
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Will be interesting. I do feel pretty confident that the intentional homicide charges might see a 12-0 count though - I just don't think those charges are going to hold up.
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The rumor is, and this is purely rumor from a HIGHLY questionable source whom I do not trust, that jurors are concerned about the repercussions from antifa should they acquit Rittenhouse. If true, then it doesn't matter what they evidence shows. Jurors will be voting on the message they think should be sent. That isn't justice but it is in human nature.
Avery
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You could probably also figure that if the opposite happens and they hit him up on a bunch of charges that the Proud Boys and similar groups will also throw a fit (not to mention a few government officials who will call it out).
I hope cooler heads will prevail and that we could just accept the jurors decision without the need to retaliate, but I don't expect that etiquette.
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You could, but that would require an example of the Proud Boys ever doing such a thing. As far as I know, the Proud Boys mostly just beat on ANTIFA. They don't seem to be a 'loot, smash, and burn down the city to show how much we care' type of group.
Pride & Prejudice: The Violent Evolution of the Proud Boys – Combating Terrorism Center at West Point
Abstract: The Proud Boys have emerged as both a manifestation of and driver for polarization and political violence in the United States since their inception in 2016. Characterized by their use of political violence in defense of what they perceive to be Western values and society, the...
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The reason antifa became a thing at left-wing rallies is due to the efforts of right-wing groups like the Proud Boys.
So the Proud Boys are pretty okay in your estimation?
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I don't know that much about them but in a YouTube video of a battle between those smashing, looting, and burning versus those beating on the smashers, looters, and burners, I'm likely to pull for the latter. Beyond my short attention span while watching a video, it isn't anything that resonates with me.
I do find it interesting that even in ANTIFA-crazy Portland, the city council unanimously voted to massively boost the police budget to get ANTIFA under control. Apparently ANTIFA smashing up the Mayor's apartment was enough to change his mind on the whole 'de-fund the police' idiocy.
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An NBC News producer has been arrested for trying to photograph and dox members of the Rittenhouse jury. All NBC News and MSNBC personnel have been barred from the courthouse property. A spokesman for NBC News said "We regret the incident and will fully cooperate with the authorities on any investigation."
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Kyle Rittenhouse jury concludes third day of deliberations without verdict | CNN
The jury in Kyle Rittenhouse's homicide trial concluded its third day of deliberations Thursday without a verdict in a day that featured the judge's decision to ban MSNBC from the courtroom for allegedly following a jury bus.
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Pretty disgusting if true.An NBC News producer has been arrested for trying to photograph and dox members of the Rittenhouse jury. All NBC News and MSNBC personnel have been barred from the courthouse property. A spokesman for NBC News said "We regret the incident and will fully cooperate with the authorities on any investigation."
Kyle Rittenhouse jury concludes third day of deliberations without verdict | CNN
The jury in Kyle Rittenhouse's homicide trial concluded its third day of deliberations Thursday without a verdict in a day that featured the judge's decision to ban MSNBC from the courtroom for allegedly following a jury bus.
But commercially there couldn't have been much to gain from taking the footage, could there? It isn't like they would have been able to publish the photographs or provide specific identifying info.
Is the idea that this producer was going to go rogue and begin some clandestine mission to harm the jurors if they vote to acquit?
Throw the book at them. Things are tense enough, the jury needs to do its work properly.