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Ronnie Nunn says if ball slips out of hand on shot, it's not a travel.

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northeast

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If someone goes up for a shot, ball slips out of hands, player takes multiple steps to go retrieve the ball in the air, it's not a travel?!?!?

Sure looks like a pass to oneself to me.
 
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Oh come on we all knew it would come to that.


No pun intended.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
And you'd be wrong. You probably think fumbling a pass and taking multiple steps is traveling, too.
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Not the same thing. If you fumble a pass, you didn't have control of the ball. If you are going up for a shot, you have control of the ball. It should be a travel. I think it is a travel, and Ronnie Nunn is wrong.
 
Archie is correct. Northeast, please think very carefully before starting another thread. Thank you.
 
If you lose control of it, it is a loose ball as Archie stated and is fair game to be batted around while the player runs all over the court like a ninny. If, on the other hand, the player actually shoots or attempts a pass and then takes a few steps to catch the ball himself without another player touching it (or the ball touching the floor or backboard, rim, or another object that would keep the ball in play) then it is a travel.

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`I've only seen this happen once. Just one more example of NBA officiating being really stupid. You can't pass to yourself, which is what this rule is allowing. What if it's not a shot , you just pick up your dribble, "fumble" the ball away to get closer to the basket, and run and pick it up. Also not a travel?
 
northeast said:
`I've only seen this happen once. Just one more example of NBA officiating being really stupid. You can't pass to yourself, which is what this rule is allowing. What if it's not a shot , you just pick up your dribble, "fumble" the ball away to get closer to the basket, and run and pick it up. Also not a travel?
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I guess if you could perfect this you would have another weapon in you arsenal, but it still fits within the rule.
 
loggrad

I think I've seen people lose the ball, pick it up, and get called for a travel, but I could be wrong.
Maybe the rules have changed on this matter. They seem to be allowing all sorts of weird stuff these days, so maybe this changed too. It is getting to where the most important skills are the ability to exploit dumb loopholes in the rules to get away with borderline cheating. Offensive players jumping into the defender to draw a foul, defenders undercutting into the offensive player to draw a foul, falling down to draw a foul, the circle created to alter the offensive foul calls, the traveling allowed all over the place, and then enforced elsewhere... What happened to only being allowed to take 2 steps if making a layup?

How do you know so much about the rules. Are you in the league?

and what do you mean by "relationship"... You were making some kind of joke I assume. Should I know you?
 
northeast said:
`I've only seen this happen once. Just one more example of NBA officiating being really stupid. You can't pass to yourself, which is what this rule is allowing. What if it's not a shot , you just pick up your dribble, "fumble" the ball away to get closer to the basket, and run and pick it up. Also not a travel?
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This isn't the officials being stupid, this is you not understanding the game or the rules, guy.

You can't pass to yourself, that's right. But if the ball slips out of your hand and you catch it, it's not a pass, guy, it's what's called a loose ball. If you "fumble" the ball away - it's a loose ball, you don't have to dribble because you don't have "possession" of the ball. If no possession is established, then no travel can be called.
 
northeast said:
loggrad

I think I've seen people lose the ball, pick it up, and get called for a travel, but I could be wrong.
Maybe the rules have changed on this matter. They seem to be allowing all sorts of weird stuff these days, so maybe this changed too. It is getting to where the most important skills are the ability to exploit dumb loopholes in the rules to get away with borderline cheating. Offensive players jumping into the defender to draw a foul, defenders undercutting into the offensive player to draw a foul, falling down to draw a foul, the circle created to alter the offensive foul calls, the traveling allowed all over the place, and then enforced elsewhere... What happened to only being allowed to take 2 steps if making a layup?

How do you know so much about the rules. Are you in the league?

and what do you mean by "relationship"... You were making some kind of joke I assume. Should I know you?
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https://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_10.html?nav=ArticleList
Section III-Dribble
a. A player shall not run with the ball without dribbling it.
b. A player in control of a dribble who steps on or outside a boundary line, even though not touching the ball while on or outside that boundary line, shall not be allowed to return inbounds and continue his dribble. He may not even be the first player to touch the ball after he has re-established a position inbounds.
c. A player may not dribble a second time after he has voluntarily ended his first dribble.
d. A player may dribble a second time if he lost control of the ball because of:
(1) A field goal attempt at his basket, provided the ball touches the backboard or basket ring
(2) An opponent touching the ball
(3) A pass or fumble which has then touched another player
PENALTY: Loss of ball. Ball is awarded to the opposing team at the sideline nearest the spot of the violation but no nearer the baseline than the foul line extended.
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Using this section of the rules:

Section III-Dribble
a. A player shall not run with the ball without dribbling it.
b. A player in control of a dribble who steps on or outside a boundary line, even though not touching the ball while on or outside that boundary line, shall not be allowed to return inbounds and continue his dribble. He may not even be the first player to touch the ball after he has re-established a position inbounds.
c. A player may not dribble a second time after he has voluntarily ended his first dribble.
d. A player may dribble a second time if he lost control of the ball because of:
(1) A field goal attempt at his basket, provided the ball touches the backboard or basket ring
(2) An opponent touching the ball
(3) A pass or fumble which has then touched another player
PENALTY: Loss of ball. Ball is awarded to the opposing team at the sideline nearest the spot of the violation but no nearer the baseline than the foul line extended.

In the situations I have described, including Ronnie Nunn's example...
(b), (c), (d)1 (d)2 and (d)3 all do not apply.

(a) may apply, depending on how the words are defined. It it does apply, then it says that the scenarios I have described are travels. It does not say anything about anything not being a travel, although one might argue that inference.

However, in total, the section suggests that passing to yourself is a violation, even if you do it unintentionally, (losing control of the ball) , because it is not one of the 3 exceptions to the rule in (d).
 
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I can see a fumbled shot not being a travel, IF one has not already dribbled. However, if one dribbles, picks up dribble, attempts shot, loses ball with no one else touching it, takes multiple steps, goes to get possession of ball again, I would have thought that was a travel. I could be wrong. I'd like to see that rule.
 
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