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dalamon said:
The amount of Japanese civilian casualties during WWII would merit a very well-understood grudge across the entire nation-- but they interestingly don't roll like that. Speaks to their people. I can't tell you how floored I was. I expected the old people to look at me with disdain-- nope, they were probably the nicest ones. The same people who had brothers and parents killed from allied bombing attacks.

America is dead-set on scapegoating Muslims after a relatively paltry attack during 9/11, comparatively. Think about how long it would take for Americans to have normalized relations with Japan if they experienced the same extent of a bombing campaign.
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I've personally met Japanese (and Germans) who say they were thankful for the American bombing campaign against their countries. They said there was no choice. I even know an American WWII bomber pilot and his German wife. He bombed her city multiple times. She calls him a hero.

I think that's a very different situation than terrorist attacks.
 
dalamon said:
The amount of Japanese civilian casualties during WWII would merit a very well-understood grudge across the entire nation-- but they interestingly don't roll like that. Speaks to their people. I can't tell you how floored I was. I expected the old people to look at me with disdain-- nope, they were probably the nicest ones. The same people who had brothers and parents killed from allied bombing attacks.

America is dead-set on scapegoating Muslims after a relatively paltry attack during 9/11, comparatively. Think about how long it would take for Americans to have normalized relations with Japan if they experienced the same extent of a bombing campaign.
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2 observations about the bolded:

1. A segment of America, not America as a whole.

2. Calling it paltry is a good way to encounter very negative reactions. I know what you meant but as an American it was HUGELY symbolic to us. You ask almost any American where they where and what they were doing on that date and they can tell you. It is a modern day Pearl Harbor and look how that is still held on to 70+ years later. Americans don't take that lightly. Just an observation.
 
dalamon said:
The amount of Japanese civilian casualties during WWII would merit a very well-understood grudge across the entire nation-- but they interestingly don't roll like that. Speaks to their people. I can't tell you how floored I was. I expected the old people to look at me with disdain-- nope, they were probably the nicest ones. The same people who had brothers and parents killed from allied bombing attacks.

America is dead-set on scapegoating Muslims after a relatively paltry attack during 9/11, comparatively. Think about how long it would take for Americans to have normalized relations with Japan if they experienced the same extent of a bombing campaign.
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I'm sure if al-Qaeda had dropped fliers for days before the attacks warning the citizens to leave the cities and explaining why we were dropping the bombs...we'd feel differently about al-Qaeda as well.

NOW, I'm not saying irrational hate towards a religion is ok. What I AM saying is that I can see how some dumb, toothless, uneducated Trump supported would buy into this crap when al-Qaeda killed innocent people without warning.

As compared to the atomic bombs where we warned everyone that it was happening, gave the day and time, and gave ample time to evacuate the cities.

Small difference there.
 
green said:
I'm sure if al-Qaeda had dropped fliers for days before the attacks warning the citizens to leave the cities and explaining why we were dropping the bombs...we'd feel differently about al-Qaeda as well.

NOW, I'm not saying irrational hate towards a religion is ok. What I AM saying is that I can see how some dumb, toothless, uneducated Trump supported would buy into this crap when al-Qaeda killed innocent people without warning.

As compared to the atomic bombs where we warned everyone that it was happening, gave the day and time, and gave ample time to evacuate the cities.

Small difference there.
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There is a difference but as Dala said any anger would be certainly understandable. No matter how we went about it we still nuked them twice.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I've personally met Japanese (and Germans) who say they were thankful for the American bombing campaign against their countries. They said there was no choice. I even know an American WWII bomber pilot and his German wife. He bombed her city multiple times. She calls him a hero.

I think that's a very different situation than terrorist attacks.
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BTW, I did not make this comment to diminish the Japanese or Germans in any way. I am in awe of their attitudes.

I hope and believe that the time will come that Americans make peace with their current enemies. Personally, I have no negative feelings toward Muslims in general, but I'm definitely not a fan of Muslim terrorists.
 
Stoked said:
There is a difference but as Dala said any anger would be certainly understandable. No matter how we went about it we still nuked them twice.
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Absolutely it would be understandable. That being said, you can't compare the two. Very different situations.
 
OK. So, pbs says we dropped leaflets. LA Times says we did not.

Who the flip knows what happened. ****ing Americans. lol.
 
Re: You guys talking about Ron Paul saying some positive things about Bernie the Bolshevik awhile back. He also happened to call him a scoundrel that purposely derailed the Audit the Fed bill that Paul was pushing for years that Bernie supposedly was for on his youtube channel. There's no love between those two. Paul's a nice guy that doesn't say many bad things about people. He definitely does not like the current GOP field though - no doubt about that.
 
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I know one thing about how Americans are viewed in Spain particularly. The Spanish population has always been very opposed to American's foreign interventionism in general. It's very unpopular, in fact I remember back in the days where many protests were held in the country to close out several American military bases in Spain. Most of them got closed and only a couple remain as far as I know (a naval base in Rota to control the Gibraltar straight) and another military base near Madrid. When it comes to Americans as individuals, I find it very interesting having heard comments like "he's American, but he's the good kind".

The older folks seem to like Americans better since they remember how the American troops would bring food into the destroyed villages from after the Spanish Civil War to feed the hungry. They even made a movie about it, "Bienvenido Mr. Marshall"
 
dalamon said:
The amount of Japanese civilian casualties during WWII would merit a very well-understood grudge across the entire nation-- but they interestingly don't roll like that. Speaks to their people. I can't tell you how floored I was. I expected the old people to look at me with disdain-- nope, they were probably the nicest ones. The same people who had brothers and parents killed from allied bombing attacks.

America is dead-set on scapegoating Muslims after a relatively paltry attack during 9/11, comparatively. Think about how long it would take for Americans to have normalized relations with Japan if they experienced the same extent of a bombing campaign.
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Why would they look at you in any way? You're not American. Also, I'm not sure that's a good comparison. The terrorists that are killing are doing so in the name of their religion. Truman didn't press some red button, walk away and mutter, "'Murica bitches."
 
dalamon said:
The amount of Japanese civilian casualties during WWII would merit a very well-understood grudge across the entire nation-- but they interestingly don't roll like that. Speaks to their people. I can't tell you how floored I was. I expected the old people to look at me with disdain-- nope, they were probably the nicest ones. The same people who had brothers and parents killed from allied bombing attacks.

America is dead-set on scapegoating Muslims after a relatively paltry attack during 9/11, comparatively. Think about how long it would take for Americans to have normalized relations with Japan if they experienced the same extent of a bombing campaign.
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So they saw a brown(ish) person in a bomber jacket and a Palestinian(ish) scarf and didn't immediately think 'American!'........? What am I missing here?
 
NAOS said:
So they saw a brown(ish) person in a bomber jacket and a Palestinian(ish) scarf and didn't immediately think 'American!'........? What am I missing here?
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The fact that I did manage to make white American friends who shared my sentiments exactly.
 
Stoked said:
2 observations about the bolded:

1. A segment of America, not America as a whole.

2. Calling it paltry is a good way to encounter very negative reactions. I know what you meant but as an American it was HUGELY symbolic to us. You ask almost any American where they where and what they were doing on that date and they can tell you. It is a modern day Pearl Harbor and look how that is still held on to 70+ years later. Americans don't take that lightly. Just an observation.
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It was relatively paltry. Deal with it, Stoked. It's fact.
 
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