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Science vs. Creationism

[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];821817 said:
so Science is an ideology-free grasp of things?

#Amazing

Science is supposed to be an observation based grasp of things, despite your ideological framework.

In fact, prior to Darwinian insistence that the pursuit of scientific knowledge require the exclusion of God, THE reason to pursue science was to understand God.

As Louis Pasteur said, "Science brings men nearer to God."

Karl Popper (philosopher of science): Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical [religious] research programme . . .

Michael Ruse (philosopher of science): Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.

Dr. David Berlinski (atheist mathematician): Darwin's theory of evolution is the last of the great nineteenth-century mystery religions.
 
Karl Popper (philosopher of science): Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical [religious] research programme . . .

Just went with the first one...

Why not state that the bracketed religion is something you put in?

Indeed, the recent vogue of historicism might be regarded as merely part of the vogue of evolutionism—a philosophy that owes its influence largely to the somewhat sensational clash between a brilliant scientific hypothesis concerning the history of the various species of animals and plants on earth, and an older metaphysical theory which, incidentally, happened to be part of an established religious belief.

What we call the evolutionary hypothesis is an explanation of a host of biological and paleontological observations—for instance, of certain similarities between various species and genera—by the assumption of common ancestry of related forms.

. . . I see in modern Darwinism the most successful explanation of the relevant facts. [Popper, 1957, p. 106; emphasis added]

There exists no law of evolution, only the historical fact that plants and animals change, or more precisely, that they have changed. [Popper, 1963b, p. 340; emphasis added]

I have always been extremely interested in the theory of evolution and very ready to accept evolution as a fact. [Popper, 1976, p. 167; emphasis added]

The Mendelian underpinning of modern Darwinism has been well tested and so has the theory of evolution which says that all terrestrial life has evolved from a few primitive unicellular organisms, possibly even from one single organism. [Popper, 1978, p. 344; emphasis added]

Even more...

The fact that the theory of natural selection is difficult to test has led some people, anti-Darwinists and even some great Darwinists, to claim that it is a tautology. . . . I mention this problem because I too belong among the culprits. Influenced by what these authorities say, I have in the past described the theory as "almost tautological," and I have tried to explain how the theory of natural selection could be untestable (as is a tautology) and yet of great scientific interest. My solution was that the doctrine of natural selection is a most successful metaphysical research programme. . . . [Popper, 1978, p. 344]

I have changed my mind about the testability and logical status of the theory of natural selection; and I am glad to have an opportunity to make a recantation. . . . [p. 345]

The theory of natural selection may be so formulated that it is far from tautological. In this case it is not only testable, but it turns out to be not strictly universally true. There seem to be exceptions, as with so many biological theories; and considering the random character of the variations on which natural selection operates, the occurrence of exceptions is not surprising. [p. 346]
 
In fact, prior to Darwinian insistence that the pursuit of scientific knowledge require the exclusion of God, THE reason to pursue science was to understand God.

The majority of biologists believe in God; there is no requirement to exclude him.

Karl Popper (philosopher of science): Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical [religious] research programme . . .

Metaphysics is not religion.

Michael Ruse (philosopher of science): Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.

Ruse wrote an entire column explaining that evolution theory was not a religion and that his statement was being taken out of context.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-ruse/is-darwinism-a-religion_b_904828.html

Dr. David Berlinski (atheist mathematician): Darwin's theory of evolution is the last of the great nineteenth-century mystery religions.

Berlinski is not an atheist, and his opinions have always been demonstrated to be ill-founded.
 
"There exists no law of evolution, only the historical fact that plants and animals change, or more precisely, that they have changed. [Popper, 1963b, p. 340; emphasis added]"

......I would like to address or discuss that statement! It is true, that plants and animals change. BUT within boundaries! I have noticed that in recent years, the media, sports writers, just about everyone that points out someone or some team has "changed" uses the expression that they have "evolved" thus perpetuating the bogus theory of Darwin......when what has really happened is a ball player has improved, changed his game, changed his wicked ways, etc. etc. etc. When a "team" makes a change in style of play or the system they were running, have they organically "evolved" or just made changes in the team chemistry or in there decision making? The ball player is still "human" and still plays the sport! The team still plays basketball or football or baseball, they haven't really "evolved" into a team of roller skaters or volleyball players or tennis players. Do you follow my reasoning here?
 
What are the boundaries?

WHAT IS EVOLUTION? One definition of “evolution” is: “A process of change in a certain direction.” However, the term is used in several ways. For example, it is used to describe big changes in inanimate things—the development of the universe. In addition, the term is used to describe small changes in living things—the way plants and animals adapt to their environment. The word is most commonly used, though, to describe the theory that life arose from inanimate chemicals, formed into self-replicating cells, and slowly developed into more and more complex creatures, with man being the most intelligent of its productions. This third notion is what is meant by the term “evolution” as used in the context of our discussions!

So we need to clear up something. Many scientists have noted that over time, the descendants of living things may change slightly. For example, humans can selectively breed dogs so that eventually the descendants have shorter legs or longer hair than their forebears. Some scientists attach to such slight changes the term “microevolution.”

However, evolutionists teach that small changes accumulated slowly over billions of years and produced the big changes needed to make fish into amphibians and apelike creatures into men. These proposed big changes are defined as “macroevolution.”

The teaching of macroevolution is built on the claim that mutations—random changes in the genetic code of plants and animals—can produce not only new species but also entirely new families of plants and animals.

However, the facts are this: There are many characteristics of a plant or an animal that are determined by the instructions contained in its genetic code, the blueprints that are wrapped up in the nucleus of each cell. Researchers have discovered that mutations can produce alterations in the descendants of plants and animals. But do mutations really produce entirely new species?

What has a century of study in the field of genetic research revealed?

After more than 40 years of intensive research, what were the results? “In spite of an enormous financial expenditure,” says researcher Peter von Sengbusch, “the attempt to cultivate increasingly productive varieties by irradiation [to cause mutations], widely proved to be a failure.” And Lönnig said: “By the 1980’s, the hopes and euphoria among scientists had ended in worldwide failure. Mutation breeding as a separate branch of research was abandoned in Western countries. Almost all the mutants . . . died or were weaker than wild varieties.”

And the data now gathered from some 100 years of mutation research in general and 70 years of mutation breeding in particular enable scientists to draw conclusions regarding the ability of mutations to produce new species. After examining the evidence, Lönnig concluded: “Mutations cannot transform an original species [of plant or animal] into an entirely new one. This conclusion agrees with all the experiences and results of mutation research of the 20th century taken together as well as with the laws of probability.”

So, can mutations cause one species to evolve into a completely new kind of creature? The evidence answers no! Lönnig’s research has led him to the conclusion that “properly defined species have real boundaries that cannot be abolished or transgressed by accidental mutations.”
 
It would be nice if you could provide some links. It is sad that people who have made a life-changing decision could be so close-minded against some women who just want equalism.

It makes sense in that the "life-changing decision" they made was to reject consensus morality. Why would they be open to anyone else's values but those of their own liking?
 
It makes sense in that the "life-changing decision" they made was to reject consensus morality. Why would they be open to anyone else's values but those of their own liking?

lol

I'm guessing that by "consensus morality" you mean that which you deem to be moral. Probably whatever Rush or Hannity or Beck deems to be moral.
 
WHAT IS EVOLUTION?

Changes from one generation to the next.

What are the boundaries of accumulated changes over time?

The word is most commonly used, though, to describe the theory that life arose from inanimate chemicals,

Changes from one generation to the next.

A common lie.

The teaching of macroevolution is built on the claim that mutations—random changes in the genetic code of plants and animals—can produce not only new species but also entirely new families of plants and animals.

Mutations, environment, and selection.

But do mutations really produce entirely new species?

Yes, We have documented this.
 
lol

I'm guessing that by "consensus morality" you mean that which you deem to be moral. Probably whatever Rush or Hannity or Beck deems to be moral.

Consensus was the wrong word...since consensus morality seems to be do whatever the hell you want to do.

I just mean if they truly changed their life with a decision it involved a rejection of morals/values from parents or community.
 
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