Game Thread (Scrimmage) Jazz @ Nets

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Playing Bradley at PF is just so nonsensical that it has to say something about the end of bench guys unless Utah is trying to throw teams off and surprise them in the real games, which seems unlikely

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So you would agree that starting David Lee over Draymond was the wrong decision?
Or you think Draymond just coincidentally became the better option at the exact same time David Lee got hurt?

Coaches are not God's who don't make mistakes.

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David Lee was a former all star and Green still got minutes.

We are talking about playing Bradley out of position over guys.


These are not comparable scenarios

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Playing Bradley at PF is just so nonsensical that it has to say something about the end of bench guys unless Utah is trying to throw teams off and surprise them in the real games, which seems unlikely

The second scenario seems less nonsensical than playing TB at the 4 imo.

It may also be that they want to get Ed some run without sacrificing TB's minutes or that they are thinking they will have to go with TB and Rudy if we play the Lakers.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So you would agree that starting David Lee over Draymond was the wrong decision?
Or you think Draymond just coincidentally became the better option at the exact same time David Lee got hurt?

Coaches are not God's who don't make mistakes.

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So much the bolded portion of the post. They will err on the side of the proven, safe, and predictable. Hell, Popovich said Manu used to drive him crazy early in his career and he had to learn to take the good with the bad.

I love Quin but he's been less willing to experiment than say a Nick Nurse who will throw all sorts of **** against the wall. I'm kinda talking out both sides of my mouth a little because Quin is tryin TB with Rudy, but I just feel like the idea that lineup could work is so damned flawed... I think we'd be better off with Mudiay, Morgan, Brantley, or Oni at the 4 they all provide some sort of a matchup advantage that makes some sense. Throwing TB in the corner does nothing for us and ****s our spacing all to hell.

The seeding games are somewhat experimental imo too, so I think we still have time to see some different looks.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

David Lee was a former all star and Green still got minutes.

We are talking about playing Bradley out of position over guys.


These are not comparable scenarios

It may not be directly comparable, but it is sure the hell relevant when discussing that coaches won't rock the boat or can't always see what will work best in practice.

 

[fishonjazz]

David Lee was a former all star and Green still got minutes.

We are talking about playing Bradley out of position over guys.


These are not comparable scenarios

I was speaking about coaches having the ability to get things wrong. So literally every scenario can be used.

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[Hekate]

I must say I have seen some cool plays when both Rudy and Bradley are on the floor but they are gimmicky and can only be done once or twice per game.

Quin came up with some simple plays in general like Don setting screens for Rudy who fakes a screen to corner but rolls to the rim or corner screens for Clarkson. It was nice to see those.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I must say I have seen some cool plays when both Rudy and Bradley are on the floor but they are gimmicky and can only be done once or twice per game.

Quin came up with some simple plays in general like Don setting screens for Rudy who fakes a screen to corner but rolls to the rim or corner screens for Clarkson. It was nice to see those.

While Bradley sat in the corner and thumbed his hole? Defenses won't even close out to him there. He's shown almost no promise as a shooter thus far and it isn't like with Favors where our defense gets a boost.

I'm hoping its just Ed getting some run or trying to see if this works for when we play the Lakers... or that Quin lost a bet.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It may not be directly comparable, but it is sure the hell relevant when discussing that coaches won't rock the boat or can't always see what will work best in practice.

Playing Bradley at PF is rocking the boat though...

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I was speaking about coaches having the ability to get things wrong. So literally every scenario can be used.

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Literally can not.

We are talking about a scenario where a guy who averaged like 18 and 10 the prior season was getting more minutes over a rotation player. Dray still played a decent amount, even with Lee in the rotation.

We are talking about Bradley, a guy who at his peak play in games has been serviceable, getting minutes out of position over guys who are getting nothing but garbage minutes.

This isnt a "next up" scenario. This HAS to be dudes just sucking in practice and not doing what Quin wants. Minutes are clearly up for grabs and for w/e reason these dudes arent proving enough to even beat out Tony Bradley out of position.

 

[Hekate]

While Bradley sat in the corner and thumbed his hole? Defenses won't even close out to him there. He's shown almost no promise as a shooter thus far and it isn't like with Favors where our defense gets a boost.

I'm hoping its just Ed getting some run or trying to see if this works for when we play the Lakers... or that Quin lost a bet.

I don't disagree but those plays were still cool to see.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It's one thing if Quin is worried about playing Morgan at center because the dude is late on most rotations guarding the rim. I understand that and him not wanting to "rock the boat" in that regard, but the moment he put Bradley in at PF, not once, but twice in the pre-season, that's a sign. Honestly shocked Morgan didnt get those minutes, but we will see. It's pretty clear to me Bradley has to suck horrendously to lose it because nothing that Morgan/Brantley did in pre-season minutes inspired any kind of hope.