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si article "Can Millsap play SF?"

"The Jazz played a bit better with Millsap at the small forward, which is to say they were so-so instead of bad. Still, those looking for evidence that this might be workable can at least point to these numbers as evidence that the team didn’t fall apart amid a barrage of open opponent three-pointers.

That’s a legit worry, though, just as it is when we talk about the Lakers going big with Lamar Odom at small forward alongside both Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum. Millsap’s feet might be smart, but they are not super-quick." Didn't Utah do OK (relatively speaking) with Millsap at the 3? It seems that he can handle Artest or Odom OK. I'm not recalling.
 
Wow. Pretty great synoposis IMO. Sounds like he actually watches the Jazz.

I agree with the author as well. I think Millsap would work great situationally at SF, but isn't quick enough to guard most SF's. Hayward seems like the better fit to me.

I think we're moving at least one big this season for some more perimeter shooting, and my guess is Big Al or Sap is outta here. If i had a choice it would be Al, but is his value great enough to bring in a quality wing or perhaps a better PG?

My question to all of you is: Who has greater trade value Big Al or Millsap?
 
The Jazz aren't contending this coming season, so they should be in no rush to make a decision (unless an obvious deal is proposed/found). If Big Al suddenly learns how to play basketball, and Millsap becomes a solid 3, the Jazz can hold onto both, and try instead to upgrade at the 1 and round out the wing rotation through the draft/trades. I'd hate to see the Jazz trade Sap and see Big Al continue to be a tunnel-visioned inefficient player, or trade Al and then have him blow up somewhere else.

No rush.
 
GVC said:
The Jazz aren't contending this coming season, so they should be in no rush to make a decision (unless an obvious deal is proposed/found). If Big Al suddenly learns how to play basketball, and Millsap becomes a solid 3, the Jazz can hold onto both, and try instead to upgrade at the 1 and round out the wing rotation through the draft/trades. I'd hate to see the Jazz trade Sap and see Big Al continue to be a tunnel-visioned inefficient player, or trade Al and then have him blow up somewhere else.

No rush.
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I agree and see no reason to actively be shopping hard for either player and especially since there is more unknown variables like Kanter (how will he be his rookie year) has Favors improved and if so how much, has Big Al improved and how much, can Okur play minutes if so how many. Not to mention like you said lets see what Millsap looks like this year and see if/what he has improved on over the off season.
 
I also agree that there is no rush to make this decision, but it will have to be made eventually.

What if Kanter performs well, Favors comes in looking like Dwight, Millsap makes his yearly improvements as always, and Al makes stides in help defense, passing out of the post, and PnR? Memo's a moot point, his injury history makes him practically untradable and or at best the least valuable of our bigs.

What do you do? Who do you move?

I think it comes down to Millsap and Al. If Al improves his 3 gaping holes, then you keep him and trade Sap. Otherwise he's gone. His holes are big enough to hurt the team more than he helps. Personally, I don't see him addressing all 3 holes, if he does then goodbye Sap. But I don't see it happening.
 
GVC said:
The Jazz aren't contending this coming season, so they should be in no rush to make a decision (unless an obvious deal is proposed/found). If Big Al suddenly learns how to play basketball, and Millsap becomes a solid 3, the Jazz can hold onto both, and try instead to upgrade at the 1 and round out the wing rotation through the draft/trades. I'd hate to see the Jazz trade Sap and see Big Al continue to be a tunnel-visioned inefficient player, or trade Al and then have him blow up somewhere else.

No rush.
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Totally agree. Utah's greatest strength since the DWill trade has been roster flexibility and GM flexibility. Utah has the luxury of having plenty of young talented guys and a lowish cap #. We don't have to depend on the rookies to win games, and we aren't stuck with any players that are paid so much they can't be traded. The team also has another extra pick incoming. Just a lot of movable pieces and with a new coach plenty of time to see who fits what role the best, and what roles to emphasize.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
I think it comes down to Millsap and Al. If Al improves his 3 gaping holes, then you keep him and trade Sap. Otherwise he's gone. His holes are big enough to hurt the team more than he helps. Personally, I don't see him addressing all 3 holes, if he does then goodbye Sap. But I don't see it happening.
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I totally agree. I have a hard time when I hear people say to keep Jefferson becuase he is big or he is long. There have been a lot of big or long players in the NBA that didn't work out (see Thabeet), so to say becuase he is long or big is no argument at all to keep him.
 
GVC said:
The Jazz aren't contending this coming season, so they should be in no rush to make a decision (unless an obvious deal is proposed/found). If Big Al suddenly learns how to play basketball, and Millsap becomes a solid 3, the Jazz can hold onto both, and try instead to upgrade at the 1 and round out the wing rotation through the draft/trades. I'd hate to see the Jazz trade Sap and see Big Al continue to be a tunnel-visioned inefficient player, or trade Al and then have him blow up somewhere else.

No rush.
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My hopes aren't high for Big Al's sudden improvement, but Millsap's contract may make him borderline untradeable simply because the numbers could be so favorable given the overall environment that it may be next to impossible to get reasonably equivalent value.
 
Sirkickyass said:
My hopes aren't high for Big Al's sudden improvement, but Millsap's contract may make him borderline untradeable simply because the numbers could be so favorable given the overall environment that it may be next to impossible to get reasonably equivalent value.
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Unless it's a bundle package and some nice potential future draft picks.
 
So we want to put an effective player in the game, give him minutes. The problem is, plugging Millsap in at the 3 doesn't solve that problem. His talents don't fit that position. I'm sure he can guard opposing players and run to his spots, but he's not going to be in the post, getting boards, blocking shots, etc. He'll be on the perimeter, far from rebounds and shooting outside shots.

So I would guess that his stats would decline from this change.

Trade him while his value is high.

- Craig
 
Craig K. Manscill said:
So we want to put an effective player in the game, give him minutes. The problem is, plugging Millsap in at the 3 doesn't solve that problem. His talents don't fit that position. I'm sure he can guard opposing players and run to his spots, but he's not going to be in the post, getting boards, blocking shots, etc. He'll be on the perimeter, far from rebounds and shooting outside shots.

So I would guess that his stats would decline from this change.

Trade him while his value is high.

- Craig
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SFs can average over 7 rebounds a game in the NBA, which is around the same as the amount that Millsap averaged last season. If anything, his rebounding could go up; I remember the absurd amount of offensive rebounds that were given up to opposing teams against the Jazz last season. A Front-Court of either Al, Favors and Sap or Kanter, Favors and Sap would secure the rebounding like no other.

Also, I completely agree with GVC in terms of it being best to not shop our players at this point in their contracts. Both draft picks could either suffer a devestating injury (knock on wood) or simply not amount ot our expectations; we have a 17/7 and a 19,~10 PF/C combo, both of which are totals that would be amazing if Kanter and Favors could live up to. Al quite frankly has the ability to hit mid 20s in his scoring output, but thats for another discussion. To summarize, there are a lot of unknowns with our frontcourt at the moment, and it is best if we stay put. Also, Millsap losing weight to me seems like a plus for two reasons; first of all, if he ends up starting at Small Forward (if Favors gets reallllyy good) this would make him more nimble; also, he does not need to weigh 250 pounds if hell be playing PF in the bench lineup, seeing as he wont be matching up against the likes of LaMarcus Aldridge, and Kevin Garnett. Regardless, this upcoming season is certainly the most exciting since the advent of 2006-2007, and I am very excited to see it unfold; just gotta get past this stupid lockout
 
https://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

Most clutch center, there's only a few players who are "more clutch" that have logged similar/more minutes than Al (Rose, Durant, and Westbrook). I simply ignore the players with the fewer minutes due to the awful sample size, like Thornton. Posted this a few times in the past year, but hey new people always visit the forum and it is quite an accurate/solid statistic.
 
Hopefully Sap can get off more than 11 3's this year. He should be shooting at least 1 per game. Develop into a corner 3 point shooter like Bruce Bowen at least.
 
Defending the three point shot is the main problem for Millsap as a SF. AK was a little faster and could still bother shots on close outs with his length, Sap could be lit up pretty bad by guys like Granger and Gallinari.
If he sheds 10 pounds who knows though, it might work. Millsap is the type of guy that makes you look silly for doubting he can do something.
 
Sap would have to transform his body to play and defend the SF position. Not going to happen and shouldn't happen.
 
Meh, I think Sap could do it. Give him 20 minutes at SF, and 10 at PF.

35 minutes of AL @ Center, 10 for Okur, 3 for Favors
25 minutes of Favors @ PF, 10 for Sap, 13 for Kanter
20 minutes of Sap @ SF, 20 for Hayward, 8 for CJ
10 minutes of Bell @ SG, 5 for Hayward, 20 for Burks, 13 for CJ
35 minutes of Harris @ PG, 13 for Watson
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Meh, I think Sap could do it. Give him 20 minutes at SF, and 10 at PF.

35 minutes of AL @ Center, 10 for Okur, 3 for Favors
25 minutes of Favors @ PF, 10 for Sap, 13 for Kanter
20 minutes of Sap @ SF, 20 for Hayward, 8 for CJ
10 minutes of Bell @ SG, 5 for Hayward, 20 for Burks, 13 for CJ
35 minutes of Harris @ PG, 13 for Watson
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I will be out for Ty Corbins head if he starts Bell this year. But honestly, your rotation makes considerable amounts of sense. Rep'd.
 
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