So gay!!!

[chemdude1232]

4b "of natural occurrence" fits pretty well. I'm taking "of natural" to mean "from nature" btw.

 

[Hopper]

4b "of natural occurrence" fits pretty well. I'm taking "of natural" to mean "from nature" btw.

Well, OK, Chem, aint no big-*** deal, either way, and in the "medical" context you are lookin at, it might have a different useage in some contexts.

"I'm taking "of natural" to mean "from nature." OK, and I'm taking "normal" to be a derivative of "norm." Even in medicine and biology, "norm" does not mean "happens, however infrequently."

Just semantics anyway. I just wouldn't have guessed that was your intended meanin, that's all. I wasn't tryin to feign ignorance, as you suggested. Mainly because I didn't think you were tryin to say that EVERYTHING that "happens," outside of the supernatural realm, at least, was "normal."

 

[chemdude1232]

Agreed - it's not a big deal.

Mathematically, what you say about "norm" not meaning "happens, however infrequently," is true, however there are other disciplines to which "norm" is attributed. The most applicable one here is that of "sexual norm."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_norm

If I'm reading this correctly, the wiki authors do actually take "norm" to mean (in a social attitude sense of the word) "it happens, however infrequently" via the quote "any activity, not otherwise illegal, performed between consenting adults in private."

Really we shouldn't belabor the point of semantics...I just thought you might find the sexual norm article interesting.

 

[Hopper]

Well, Chem, while I agree that semantics aren't, and shouldn't be, dispositive of any issue, the underlying issues do go beyond semantics, I figure. NAMBLA, for example, argues vociferiously that pedophilia is "normal," and should therefore be legal. The gay community welcomed NAMBLA as an appropriate group to be included in the general quest for "civil rights," for decades.

"In 1993, the International Lesbian and Gay Association achieved United Nations consultative status. NAMBLA's association with ILGA drew heavy criticism, and many gay organizations called for the ILGA to dissolve ties with NAMBLA."

In case you don't know: "The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a New York City and San Francisco-based unincorporated organization in the United States...NAMBLA began in the 1970s following media scrutiny of a "sex ring" of underage boys in Boston and a police raid of Toronto-area gay newspaper The Body Politic for publishing "Men Loving Boys Loving Men...The group stands for the position that age of consent laws unnecessarily criminalize sexual relationships between adults and children, particularly boys....In 1980 a NAMBLA general meeting passed a resolution, which said: "(1) The North American Man/Boy Love Association calls for the abolition of age-of-consent and all other laws which prevent men and boys from freely enjoying their bodies."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association

 

[chemdude1232]

NAMBLA's message contradicts the statement in the sexual norm article that says, "any activity, not otherwise illegal, performed between consenting adults in private," simply because one of the two members that bumps uglies in the NAMBLA-sanctioned unions are underage (i.e., not adults).

Not only does NAMBLA violate sexual norms (as per the article) but they violate judicial law with respect to the underage boy aspect.

 

[Scat]

Damn, I know. I mean, I hated it when it was decreed in schools that interracial relationships were being taught as normal for our kids. Damn this country!

I wasn't around at the time but somehow I don't think they paraded interracial couples accross the stage at school, made books about interracial relationships manadatory reading, handed out pamplets showing interracial couples the best way to pleasure each other and I don't think a single city council published a book showing white men what clubs to frequent to get anonymous black nookie.

I'll say it again, there is a vast difference between teaching tolerance vs promotion of an idea. In Mass they are promoting gay relationships.

 

[Hopper]

Not only does NAMBLA violate sexual norms (as per the article) but they violate judicial law with respect to the underage boy aspect.

Laws can be changed, Chem. That's what NAMBLA wants to do and that's the point underlying this whole thread, aint it?

Once again, NAMBLA argues that pederasty is "perfectly normal" (in the sense you used it) and should THEREFORE be legal.

Of course, once it's "legal," that proves it's sumthin to be promoted (and proves it's "normal'). All kinda circular, really.

 

[Scat]

Not only does NAMBLA violate sexual norms (as per the article) but they violate judicial law with respect to the underage boy aspect.

15-20 years ago gays were in violation of both sexual norms and of judicial law in most of the country. Sodomy laws were common. I suspect that there are a number of states that still have them on the books.

I've seen it said that in 10-15 years the whole gay argument will be my generation's shame just as interracial marriage is my parent's shame. What are you going to do in 20-30 years when your shame is man boy love?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I wasn't around at the time but somehow I don't think they paraded interracial couples accross the stage at school, made books about interracial relationships manadatory reading, handed out pamplets showing interracial couples the best way to pleasure each other and I don't think a single city council published a book showing white men what clubs to frequent to get anonymous black nookie.

I'll say it again, there is a vast difference between teaching tolerance vs promotion of an idea. In Mass they are promoting gay relationships.

Commenting specifically on this.

"Because same-sex marriage is “legal”, a federal judge has ruled that the schools now have a duty to portray homosexual relationships as normal to children, despite what parents think or believe!"

Parading it is a different animal altogether. I read "normal" in this instance as "not condemning."

 

[Scat]

Commenting specifically on this.

"Because same-sex marriage is “legal”, a federal judge has ruled that the schools now have a duty to portray homosexual relationships as normal to children, despite what parents think or believe!"

Parading it is a different animal altogether. I read "normal" in this instance as "not condemning."

I agree whole-heartedly with this statement.

I thought you were condoning the actions of schools in MA since gay marriage was dubbed legal.

 

[chemdude1232]

15-20 years ago gays were in violation of both sexual norms and of judicial law in most of the country. Sodomy laws were common. I suspect that there are a number of states that still have them on the books.

I've seen it said that in 10-15 years the whole gay argument will be my generation's shame just as interracial marriage is my parent's shame. What are you going to do in 20-30 years when your shame is man boy love?

Then I'll live with the fact that it is law, go about my business, and not participate in it.

 

[chemdude1232]

Laws can be changed, Chem. That's what NAMBLA wants to do and that's the point underlying this whole thread, aint it?

Once again, NAMBLA argues that pederasty is "perfectly normal" (in the sense you used it) and should THEREFORE be legal.

Of course, once it's "legal," that proves it's sumthin to be promoted (and proves it's "normal'). All kinda circular, really.

Of course laws can be changed. In the mean time, NAMBLA members can lobby for law to be written. They may get their day in court too. At that point, we'll all have to sit by the TV and wait for the arguments to be made and the judge to make a decision.

It is circular, sure.