Lost_Jazz_Fan
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I thought we would win going in to that game as long as we played Jazz basketball. I was more concerned with the Orlando game cause it was the 2nd game of a back to back.
So Which Win was more impressive?
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I thought we would win going in to that game as long as we played Jazz basketball. I was more concerned with the Orlando game cause it was the 2nd game of a back to back.
Archie, you seem to be missing an apostrophe in your location. It should be "post's, FYI.
If you dont fix it immediately, I am going to recommend you have your account deleted........ oh wait.... thats not my shtick to use.This...
The words to describe them are different. There is no doubt the Miami game was shocking, exciting, 'unbelieveable', flop-around-on-the-floor incredible, memorable, braggable, etc. But the right word for Orlando was impressive. As those have noted: back-to-back behind an emotional win, in overtime and yet you have the fortitude to keep fighting. Whether true or not i BELEIVE Orlando has excellent D. Miami's D? - i don't know yet. So as an overall impression - Orlando is the more impressive victory becuase it speaks to the reality of how good the jazz are and can be.
With that said - Archie, add the neg rep now.
Stifle Tower
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Well said, Harcher.
Lucky 8ball
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To keep the "impressive" streak, I don't demand a win at Atlanta... I just want them to compete and not have a let down by thinking they've already got 2 wins - so mail it in. Just compete and give themselves a chance. Inconsistency needs to be overcome. They can't win them all, but they can compete in them all. The other thing is that they need to beat the teams they should. Remember a couple years ago when they gave a couple of teams their first wins of the year, in like the span of a week. You can't be elite and do that. Beat who you should and play the rest tough home or away = mark of a true title contender. Play down to competition and suck on the road while dominating at home = Jazz of the past few years (hopefully not this season).
Gyp Rosetti
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I'd say the Heat because it was a larger deficit and they have more leadership and better players who should have never let that happen.
memo is money
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I could not watch the 2nd half of Magic game but regardless of what I will see when I download and replay the full vid of that game, I go with Miami. It was a classic. The Jazz have made a lot of comebacks similar to Magic game, like against Pistons in 2008, Atlanta in 2007, Phoenix in 2007, Clippers in 2010 however, I do not think any of them is more impressive than the Miami Miracle...
Archie Moses
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What's more impressive?
Winning a game in Miami where you are down by *8 with 30 seconds left* and watching Paul Millsap play the most impressive basketball of his career?
or
Winning a back to back game in Orlando?
*There's nothing more impressive than a team that doesn't give up when in a situation like that. Please don't argue there is.
Winning a game in Miami where you are down by *8 with 30 seconds left* and watching Paul Millsap play the most impressive basketball of his career?
or
Winning a back to back game in Orlando?
*There's nothing more impressive than a team that doesn't give up when in a situation like that. Please don't argue there is.
gregbroncs
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It's more impressive to dominate a great team for 18 minutes than luck your way into a win in 30 seconds. This team did not give up in either game so that argument is moot. The Miami game was far more exciting but not more impressive IMO. Impressive is out playing a team not getting a few good bounces and one extremely lucky bounce at the end.
That said I agree with someone else who said who cares they are both great wins and show us what this team can be.
gregbroncs
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It may have been a larger deficit but the Jazz outscored the Magic by more points after falling behind.
Archie Moses
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gregbroncs
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Umm...Are you kidding? The bounce right to Millsap at the end? If it bounces any other way that game ends, It bounced in the only spot the Jazz had any shot at rebounding it. Credit to Millsap for hustling over and getting it but if it goes anywhere else it does not matter how hard he hustled the game would have been over.
Archie Moses
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Um, you do realize you can strategically place yourself in a position to rebound the ball based off of where the shot is taken from, right? Millsap placed himself at the correct angle to get the ball if the ball was short. He hustled, read the shot, and got the rebound. I give him credit. Hardly luck.
gregbroncs
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I gave him credit. But I still believe it was a lot of luck. The ball bounces higher game ends, ball bounces a little right game ends, ball bounces over the rim game ends. Millsap was on that side of the floor and positioned the spot and made the play. Even you put "if" the ball was short, well "if the ball went slightly farther he never touches it and neither do any other jazzmen. So by your own statement there was some luck involved.
Archie Moses
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It's not luck, dude. If the Miami Heat missed one shot, if the Jazz scored more, if, if, if. The game is 48 minutes long. Anything can happen during that time and just because it happened at the last possible second, it doesn't make it lucky.
unluckyseventeen
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Isn't the definition of lucky "Something unlikely, yet fortuitous"?
You're saying the comeback was likely? Making 4/4 from 3, the Heat missing FTs and the Jazz getting a last-split-second put-back off a miss going in isn't unlikely, yet fortuitous?
I mean, based on the definition, you can't get much more luck involved to pull a win out like that.
It being lucky also doesn't take credit away from the players that made it happen, though. You seem to think the two are mutually exclusive.
Archie Moses
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Hard work, practice, and executing down the stretch isn't luck to me. Paul Millsap rebounding a miss shot isn't "highly unlikely." To me, the Jazz didn't need luck. They needed to do what the did, done, and practiced in the off season.
unluckyseventeen
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I agree that it requires effort and execution, but if you shoot those same 5 shots that got the Jazz back in the game, in the last 30 seconds, in the same situations, the chances of all 5 of them going in has to be less than 5%.
In fact, on a totally existential level, every game of basketball has a certain factor of luck. It's not has high as the amount of talent and effort required to win, but it still certainly does play a role. Almost every game ever made has a certain factor of luck.. it's just part of sports or gaming in general.
In fact, on a totally existential level, every game of basketball has a certain factor of luck. It's not has high as the amount of talent and effort required to win, but it still certainly does play a role. Almost every game ever made has a certain factor of luck.. it's just part of sports or gaming in general.
gregbroncs
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This is a better way of saying what I was trying to bring across.