Sorry Jazz fans – Ben is the NBA Rookie of the Year
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how was 0 field goal in 35 min? how much did that hurt?
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utahjazzz
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Ben played 31 minutes, not 35.
When you are not shooting and let others
around you do the scoring, you dont hurt the team because you dont miss. John stockton played a similar role in the 90s, a pg with minimal shootings but set up the offense with his passing.
oh yeah sorry didn’t realize mcconnel was overplaying simmons. i guess you are kinda right. simmons helped his team by not playing at all.
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utahjazzz
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Just like mitchell should have been benched in the last quartet for his awful performance. Dante totally outplayed mitchell in this match.
Lakers_Slapper
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he scored 900% more than Simmons, and that was a bad game for him.
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Et tu Brute
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Actually Ron, I know this is wrong of me to utter this... But I almost felt like Mitchell went back into the game in the third so he wasn't left with a 2 pt game. When the game was a game - he was worth a deuce.
I think the back and forth on this thing is way over done. Mitchell wasn't quite as bad tonight, largely because he had many friends. Unlike the other night when Simmons was almost uniquely bad
Lakers_Slapper
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Imagine that, a bad day in his FG% is an average day for Simmons in FREE throw %
Et tu Brute
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Lakers_Slapper
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That's one game, and Philly was playing the Celtics without Irving, Hayward. Donovan's was against the best team in the NBA. Yea same difference though.
Lakers_Slapper
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It was a bad game but he still managed to score 10x's the point that Simmons had.
Lakers_Slapper
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Historically bad?
Simmons scored 1 point.
Philadelphia 76er's combined win record was 28 wins. Not in one year, in two years straight!!!
Historically bad? What do you know about history of basketball?? Your an 8 year old 20 year old. Meaning your age doesn't mean that you have dropped your balls and half your team was collected through loosing and were drafted before they dropped theirs.
Lakers_Slapper
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"hurted"? what the hell does that mean? What are you 5 years old? Your the perfect example of why it's important to read to your children and why I support breast feeding. Sorry if I just "hurted" your feelings.
Lakers_Slapper
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The difference is Stockton is the All time leader in assists and steals. John also made 845 3 pointers, not the highest number, but it currently stands 845 more than Simmons has ever made.
utahjazzz
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yeah, worst +/- of -31 in the game, shot 25 %, totally outplayed by Neto, burks and exum. Worst player in the match.
utahjazzz
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Who gives a **** about the 3s when Ben can drive and score so well 10 feet from the basket
utahjazzz
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10 points from 16 shots. yuck
Lakers_Slapper
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10 feet from the basket? This is what you argue?? He takes advantage of a rare mis match and scores from within 10 feet, and this is what you have??? Allow me to drop knowledge on you again. Have you watched basketball? The perimeter game is a must for a point guard in the NBA today. I'm not even saying Simmons is a bad player, but you are so tunnel vision in your way of thinking there is no reasoning with you. I will be the first to admit that Simmons is going to be a great player. But he is 2 years away from being 2 years away. That's not a bad thing, it just is where he is at. If he is going to help his team he needs to develop and he will. That goes for any player that has been in the league for less than 5 years.
I know you are going to say that he passes well and rebounds well. I will say this. He has great court vision. That court vision will be valuable when he can drain a perimeter shot because the defense will be forced to guard him. That will enable him to use his speed, length and passing ability, or shooting ability (from within 10 feet) to maximize the situation.
His rebounding- Have you noticed an increase in triple doubles over the last 3 years. And when I say an increase I mean upwards of 110-180% increase. That's not saying that it's bad, but it lays out math that has to be accounted for. A triple double today is not special unless it contributes to team efficiency. Guards can get more rebounds now, because the game has changed. Its become a game of possessions and 3 point shots. More possessions= faster pace + more 3's attempted, made x missed = longer rebounds = opportunity for a rebound for a point guard.
There is no denying a few things that you are denying and even though its not a negative you get so defensive it becomes easy for someone like me with deep knowledge of the game to rip you apart limb by limb. And that is, Simmons is a liability on offense when the game is close and within grasping. He is even more of a liability in big games, like the playoffs. He is at this point incapable of making an NBA 3 pointer. He is a point guard even at 6"10 he is a point guard and you have to make 3's as a point guard whether you are pass-first or not. He also has to increase his free throw average by at least 27% to be effective. Right now the defense can foul Simmons and not worry about the points because it will increase their possessions. You can call this "my own opinion" but it's facts.
don’t even try.... He doesn’t know basketball. He probably don’t know why warriors and rockets are good and why most of nba teams play small ball....
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