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Bulletproof said:
Sorry, I don't mean to assume you're "worked up" but you have taken exception to my comments. That's what I'm referring to.

So I'd make the analogy of flavor profiles in beer. All beer has a little bittering addition, some beers feature it. Some beers lean towards a malty balance. Some have a roast character. So yeah, last century there were hints within the Republican party of the character it has now taken on, but the balance is not the same. You're talking about an English Golden ale becoming an IPA and saying "Yeah, well there was a bitterness in there from way back, so it's pretty much the same beer." It isn't. The balance has shifted, hard.
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The backbone of the Republican party has been racial grievance since the 1960's, it's safe to say that hasn't changed. I'm not enough of a beer connoisseur to follow the entirely of your metaphor, but I don't think the party has changed as much as you think.

The major difference as I see it, the Trumpian shift if you will, is that they are now much more willing to say the quiet part loud, that didn't use to be the case.
 
Zombie said:
If a person disagreed with every other position the Democrats had aside from Climate change, that issue alone would be worth joining the party and working to get more Democrats in office.
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Just enough to check the Rs. I’d love them to take the House a dead lock the senate.

Except that leads to its own problems.

A **** mountain 5 miles high seems better when compared to a **** mountain 20 miles high. But either way you drown in a **** mountain.
 
Zombie said:
As for for the Democratic party there actually is a way shape and form (actually a fair number of them) that the DNC continues to use to appeal to their members, and have since the parties realigned last century.

The reason I, probably Joe Bagadonuts, and millions of others fight for one party over the other is that we genuinely believe that the dangers presented by the Democratic party are better faced within an organized structure. The Democratic party's biggest strength is its ability to organize and mobilize, it doesn't make sense to me that neutering the only other major political party is the best way to stop them.
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Stop and really think about this. Everybody has a set of beliefs and values and they identify with the party that best represents these. The leadership of BOTH parties play on this and use this to realize their goals. None of which really have anything to do with what the general population wants.
 
Stoked said:
Just enough to check the Rs. I’d love them to take the House a dead lock the senate.

Except that leads to its own problems.

A **** mountain 5 miles high seems better when compared to a **** mountain 20 miles high. But either way you drown in a **** mountain.
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Obviously I'm going to disagree that the Dem party is a **** mountain, I think it could use a lot of improvement.

I also think that there is basically zero chance of another viable party springing up in my lifetime so my time is better spent trying to improve the party from the inside, by voting in primaries and donating to candidates that better reflect my values.

I think this period of American history is just too important to sit on the sidelines.
 
Zombie said:
Obviously I'm going to disagree that the Dem party is a **** mountain, I think it could use a lot of improvement.

I also think that there is basically zero chance of another viable party springing up in my lifetime so my time is better spent trying to improve the party from the inside, by voting in primaries and donating to candidates that better reflect my values.

I think this period of American history is just too important to sit on the sidelines.
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I agree. Sitting it out is foolish to the extreme. But not all of us have the same goal. Hell, some of us aren’t even pulling in the same direction.

Zero chance is more on us than anything. Another party rises when we make it
 
Scat said:
Stop and really think about this. Everybody has a set of beliefs and values and they identify with the party that best represents these. The leadership of BOTH parties play on this and use this to realize their goals. None of which really have anything to do with what the general population wants.
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I'm not sure why I'm even replying to you, but your last sentence is objectively not the case. The 'general population' wanted social security for example, they want a better Healthcare system, etc. That's not to say that politicians don't do things that are only in their own best interest at times, but that's hardly an argument for checking out of party politics altogether. How else are we supposed to remove our leaders when they are abusing their position?

You know, aside from guillotines...
 
Zombie said:
If a person disagreed with every other position the Democrats had aside from Climate change, that issue alone would be worth joining the party and working to get more Democrats in office.
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I am currently cheering on team D.

It is important enough for me to full on just want them to win right now. I'll nit pick with the best of them if they do win and end the Trump era and start acting like the people in charge, because I'll always nitpick the people in charge.
 
Bulletproof said:
I am currently cheering on team D.

It is important enough for me to full on just want them to win right now. I'll nit pick with the best of them if they do win and end the Trump era and start acting like the people in charge, because I'll always nitpick the people in charge.
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Since when has the democratic party been organized enough to expect them to act like people in charge? Obama was REALLY lucky for democrats since he acted the part. Outside of that, what's there to be enthusiastic about? Look at awful a candidate the democrats put up against someone as awful as Mike Lee.
 
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