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This isn't about Clinton or Feinstein or Trump

This is about Brett Kavanaugh and Bart O Kavanaugh. This is about whether this man should be on the Supreme Court. The answer is No!

The legislature needs to vote no (it happens) Trump needs topick a new nominee and we need to move on
 
Lol this is truly top notch **** right here. You figured it out! Debra Katz is pulling the strings for the Democratic party. This proves they are just doing her evil bidding...somehow.

Get a grip dude. Lawyers are on the side of whoever they are representing. She represented AL Franken because he paid her to. One quick glance at her wiki page shows she has a long history of taking clients who have been sexually assaulted. Hell she even went after NPR executive Michael Oreskes and Harvey Weinstein.

I'm sure those were all for show though, to provide her cover as a Democrat operative.

Also you'd be an idiot not to want to be represented by Debra Katz. She's actually really ****ing good at her job.
Where did I say Katz is pulling the strings for the Democratic party? She's a political partisan who has made a big deal of the fact that she's committed to the "resistance" of Donald Trump. Such info is material when she brings a case against Trump's interests. She appears to be a much bigger proponent of leftism than she is of women's causes. Do you think the lie that Ford couldn't fly was for her her client's benefit or for the benefit of Democrats?
 
I disagree. Im a never trump dude. I hate him with a passion. But when he does something right I acknowledge it. He just says and does so much dumb **** that its hard not to be extremely critical of him. He simply sucks so much more often than he does something right/good

Good for you. But you’re not all people. We see it right here in this board.
 
Where did I say Katz is pulling the strings for the Democratic party? She's a political partisan who has made a big deal of the fact that she's committed to the "resistance" of Donald Trump. Such info is material when she brings a case against Trump's interests. She appears to be a much bigger proponent of leftism than she is of women's causes. Do you think the lie that Ford couldn't fly was for her her client's benefit or for the benefit of Democrats?
You gotta lay of the alt right talking points man. There was no 'lie' about her being unable to fly. She has anxiety with air travel (might have something to do with there not being exits, wonder why that might be?).
 
The Republicans were in control and pulled a dirty trick, though not one designed to destroy people's lives like what we have just seen. They had no need to blindside anyone at the eleventh hour because they were in a position to make sure that no eleventh hour ever came. I would like to think they wouldn't have handled it in the way the Dems just did had they been forced to move forward, but politicians never cease to disappoint, so they probably would.

If the Dems get control of the Senate in the mid-terms will you be surprised if they employ the same strategy that the Republicans pulled on Gorsuch?
You're thinking of Merrick Garland. The question is, if Feinstein has these superpowers, why didn't she use them on Trump's first nominee?
 
You gotta lay of the alt right talking points man. There was no 'lie' about her being unable to fly. She has anxiety with air travel (might have something to do with there not being exits, wonder why that might be?).
The story I was hearing, from numerous news sources, was that she could not fly because of how the attempted rape had impacted her. Turns out that she flies quite frequently. That's why I call it a lie. I didn't say that it was Ford who made this claim, but someone on her team definitely did. Additionally, Ford claimed in sworn testimony that she was unaware of the offer that the committee had made to fly to California and interview her there. It's impossible to be sure why this information that practically everyone in America knew had never been transmitted to Ford, but I don't think it takes a rocket surgeon to speculate that it might have been because Ford's team is in favor of delays.
 
If the FBI does its job in this instance they will look at the statements Kavanaugh made in last week's hearing, try to coorborate Kavanaugh's interpretations with those of his high school mates, deliver those findings to the Judiciary Committee, and let those senators use the same standard Kavanaugh's own mother used as a Justice:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/01/kavanaugh-boofing-fbi-investigation-220808

"There is a chance the FBI might uncover additional evidence or testimony that further corroborates these women’s claims. But if not—especially as reports suggest that the White House is narrowing the scope of the probe and hamstringing investigators’ ability to get to the truth of these allegations—the FBI still must examine Kavanaugh’s credibility and candor.
FBI agents will not provide a conclusion or judgment about Kavanaugh’s credibility, but they can—and must—look to his Senate testimony and present senators with evidence that refutes or corroborates it.

For example, FBI investigators should ask Kavanaugh’s football teammates—many of whom also dubbed themselves “Renate alumni” in their own yearbook entries—exactly what the reference meant. They should ask Kavanaugh’s friend Mark Judge, whose yearbook entry also referenced boofing, if he agrees—under oath—that it means what Kavanaugh said it does. They should find the friends who supposedly played Devil’s Triangle with Kavanaugh.

Regardless of whether such petty lies could ever amount to perjury, they provide glimpses into Kavanaugh’s character and candor. As Kavanaugh well knows, in our legal system, even small lies matter. In jury trials, there is a standard instruction to jurors that if they conclude a witness is lying about any matter, they have the right to dismiss that witness’ entire testimony as potentially untruthful.

Kavanaugh’s own mother was a judge, and he has described her judicial philosophy as this: “Use your common sense, what rings true, what rings false.”

Senators weighing Kavanaugh’s fate should apply the same standard. To date, many of them have tried to dismiss Ford’s allegations as a case of “he said, she said.” But any proof that Kavanaugh lied under oath should cause senators to err on the side of believing her over him.

Furthermore, anyone prone to such casual lying is not fit to serve a lifetime appointment on the nation’s highest court.

After all, if Kavanaugh can’t be trusted to tell the truth about even the minor stuff, why should we trust him on anything else?"
 
I feel like I should make a couple things clear. First the Democratic Party =//= The Clinton's. They are, or were, important power brokers, but they're not the all-powerful boogeymen they are made out to be. Hillary is not all that popular even among Democrats, she won an incredibly weak primary mostly on name recognition. I'd wager that most of the left wingers on this site did not vote for her in the Primary (I voted for Bernie).

I also don't think the Democratic party is pure as the driven snow. They have a history of looking the other way with regard to sexual abuse, Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy come to mind. However, I do think women like Senators Klobuchar and Harris are pulling the party in a different direction. The me too movement is taken much more seriously on the left than the right as well, there just isn't an equal political cost to ignoring or defending men accused of sexual assault.
 
The story I was hearing, from numerous news sources, was that she could not fly because of how the attempted rape had impacted her. Turns out that she flies quite frequently. That's why I call it a lie. I didn't say that it was Ford who made this claim, but someone on her team definitely did. Additionally, Ford claimed in sworn testimony that she was unaware of the offer that the committee had made to fly to California and interview her there. It's impossible to be sure why this information that practically everyone in America knew had never been transmitted to Ford, but I don't think it takes a rocket surgeon to speculate that it might have been because Ford's team is in favor of delays.
It could also be that her team favored a public setting so the American people could have the chance to hear her in her own voice.

Honestly though man, I really don't think it matters much at this point. Clearly Ford's teams goal was to get her story out there to stop Kavanaugh from getting nominated. I found her to be a compelling and believable person, while Kavanaugh disqualified himself for reasons completely unrelated to whether or not he's actually guilty of the charges.

Everything else regarding Ford's lawyers, Feinstein's handling of the claims etc, is sour grapes from Republicans trying to distract from what was a disastrous day for Kavanaugh.
 
It could also be that her team favored a public setting so the American people could have the chance to hear her in her own voice.

Honestly though man, I really don't think it matters much at this point. Clearly Ford's teams goal was to get her story out there to stop Kavanaugh from getting nominated. I found her to be a compelling and believable person, while Kavanaugh disqualified himself for reasons completely unrelated to whether or not he's actually guilty of the charges.

Everything else regarding Ford's lawyers, Feinstein's handling of the claims etc, is sour grapes from Republicans trying to distract from what was a disastrous day for Kavanaugh.
On one point we agree. Kavanaugh's name should be withdrawn.

We strongly disagree on Feinstein's handling. It's much more than sour grapes. Her actions unnecessarily dragged an entire nation through the mud.
 
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