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Talking 3 pt shooting, spacing and rotations

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We were an above average offensive team last year. We acquired 3 new players this offseason: Mo Williams (Career 38.7% 3PT), Marvin Williams (38.9% 3PT last season) and Foye (Career 36.6% 3PT). If these players a can help improve our 3 pt shooting and spacing we could become an elite offensive team.

Our point guard rotation last year was weak from beyond the arc as a group with Harris being the best.

Devin Harris (36.2% 3PT Last Season)
Tinsley (27.0% 3PT Last Season)
Earl Watson (19.2 3PT Last Season)

Harris was surprisingly good from beyond the arc last season. If we continue to play Tinsley or Watson instead of using Foye as the backup PG this group will be almost the same.

On the wing we used the following players

Hayward (34.6% 3PT Last Season)
Alec Burks (33.3% 3PT Last Season)
Josh Howard (24.3% 3PT Last Season)
CJ Miles (30.7% 3PT Last Season)
DeMarre Carroll (28.9% 3PT Last Season)

Replacing Howard,Miles and Carroll with Marvin Williams should be a very good upgrade in the long range shooting department. If Millsap(22.6% 3PT Last Season) is going to play the 3 he needs to find a 3 point shot that is consistent.

We don't have any floor spacing big guys (Memo, etc.) but Jefferson and Millsap are very good midrange shooters. Kanter appears to have a good jumper but rarely takes it. Favors can hit jumpers but he is very inconsistent. Without any big changes in personnel we aren't to see a big difference offensively here.


So what does this mean?

I don't know. But I looked up these numbers and figured I should share. It does give some light to why Foye might play over Tinsley/Watson. It shows how Marvin Williams should add a lot to the team by replacing Miles/Howard/Carroll.
 
We're not gonna be an elite offensive team with Al's inefficiency, Favors' and Kanter's rawness, and average perimeter guys.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
We're not gonna be an elite offensive team with Al's inefficiency, Favors' and Kanter's rawness, and average perimeter guys.
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I'll give you the Al argument, but Favors and Kanter will both make big strides next year.
And average perimeter guys?
The Jazz just brought in 3 guys that shoot 40 percent from 3.
Not to mention Hayward and Burks progression as shooters.
 
Well, IMO even if Favors solidifies our D- that just puts us into the average category. As constructed we have to be an offensive team.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
The Jazz just brought in 3 guys that shoot 40 percent from 3.
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They have done that before ( Giricek, Korver, Bell for example). For some reason players do not shoot 3's as well or as many to make the difference when they join the Jazz. Must be offensive philosophy and failure to utilize them properly.
 
AKMVP said:
They have done that before ( Giricek, Korver, Bell for example). For some reason players do not shoot 3's as well or as many to make the difference when they join the Jazz. Must be offensive philosophy and failure to utilize them properly.
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Yeah that does seem to happen with the Jazz often.
The difference between a Korver, Giricek, and Bell to the Williams bros., and Foye is.... athleticism.
Marvin, Moe, (and Foye to a point) can all create their own shots, as well as drive to the hole and throw it down.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
Yeah that does seem to happen with the Jazz often.
The difference between a Korver, Giricek, and Bell to the Williams bros., and Foye is.... athleticism.
Marvin, Moe, (and Foye to a point) can all create their own shots, as well as drive to the hole and throw it down.
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eh, not so sure. giricek and even korver are underrated athletes. foye might be slightly ahead of those guys in the athleticism department, but is also shorter than both of them and has a much slower release, so i think it's fool's gold to assume that he'll be a completely different player than those two because he has a SLIGHTLY better vert.

mo isn't really a "create-his-own-shot" type of guy either. he's more of a spot-up shooter than a guy who scores off the dribble or anything like that. nto sure that classification works for marvin either, although at least in his case we can wonder if it was because he started his career in the world capital of isolation basketball.
 
3-point shooting with no historical exception that I can think of has always helped an offense work better. How the rotations and minute allocation will work and how the defense shows up this year is the real question.

I am interested to see whether this team gets into the open court better or worse with Mo. The vision I have for this team moving forward (and they're close to having it) is deadly in transition, focused on team-ball, and controlling the paint on both ends. In fact, if the Jazz can become a defensive force and they're motivated to be a transition team, those two ideas feed into each other. There's at least one player that doesn't fit at all into this scheme.
 
NUMBERICA said:
3-point shooting with no historical exception that I can think of has always helped an offense work better. How the rotations and minute allocation will work and how the defense shows up this year is the real question.

I am interested to see whether this team gets into the open court better or worse with Mo. The vision I have for this team moving forward (and they're close to having it) is deadly in transition, focused on team-ball, and controlling the paint on both ends. In fact, if the Jazz can become a defensive force and they're motivated to be a transition team, those two ideas feed into each other. There's at least one player that doesn't fit at all into this scheme.
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Al Jefferson perhaps...
 
i think the team will be deadly if jefferson learns how to better pass out of the post, and if our guys can drop their threes. this team is young and shoud take advantage of their youth. play a controled run and gun offense. the jazz played best last year when they were moving quickly and controling the pace. they are yong and can do it!
 
AKMVP said:
They have done that before ( Giricek, Korver, Bell for example). For some reason players do not shoot 3's as well or as many to make the difference when they join the Jazz. Must be offensive philosophy and failure to utilize them properly.
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Unlike many other NBA teams, we have little to no plays designed specifically to finish with a 3 pt shot. 3pt shots have always been a last resort or take it if the defense gives it to you for the jazz
 
NUMBERICA said:
3-point shooting with no historical exception that I can think of has always helped an offense work better. How the rotations and minute allocation will work and how the defense shows up this year is the real question.

I am interested to see whether this team gets into the open court better or worse with Mo. The vision I have for this team moving forward (and they're close to having it) is deadly in transition, focused on team-ball, and controlling the paint on both ends. In fact, if the Jazz can become a defensive force and they're motivated to be a transition team, those two ideas feed into each other. There's at least one player that doesn't fit at all into this scheme.
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historically, mo has not been a great transition point guard, even when he was playing with the most dangerous open court player in the universe. it'll be interested to see if that changes... but my thinking right now is that if the jazz become more of a fast-breaking team, it's probably because they're pushing the ball ahead to hayward and burks, not because of mo directly.

we'll see though.
 
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