The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[Deleted member 365]

How Trump's allies stoked Brazil Congress attack

It is no mere coincidence that scenes in Brasilia resemble events at the US Capitol on 6 January 2021

www.bbc.com

Pressure mounts on Biden over Bolsonaro's Florida stay after Brasilia riots

The United States has a Jair Bolsonaro problem.

www.reuters.com

Isn't it interesting how RW authoritarianism advocates takes cues from America's?

It's always the same garbage:

1. Play culture war games, find some other to demonize (usually blacks, Jews, and LGBTs). Whine about how feminine your people and culture are becoming and brag about a non-existent masculine great past that needs to be brought back.
2. Provide tax cut handouts to top donors and supporters.
3. Stack the courts with yes-men. Provide the clergy with red meat (usually money and access).
4. Have your propaganda gaslight the entire nation while demonizing real journalists. This helps you to control the narrative and keep opponents on the defensive.
5. Attempt to secure your own power through gerrymandering and voter suppression. If/When that fails, have your supporters attack your country's democracy.

At least Brazil's police arrested many of the supporters on the spot and hopefully justice will be served. I hope Bolsonaro is extracted from Florida and is held to account. Unlike our insurrectionist leader, who's the GOP's frontrunner in 2024.

 

[Bucknutz]

Oh no, another politician who mishandled classified documents.

Classified documents from Biden’s time as VP discovered in private office, source says | CNN Politics

Attorney General Merrick Garland has asked the US attorney in Chicago to investigate the matter, a source familiar with the matter tells CNN.

amp.cnn.com

“The classified materials included some top-secret files with the "sensitive compartmented information" designation, also known as SCI, which is used for highly sensitive information obtained from intelligence sources.”

“Biden's team cooperated with NARA, which later came to view the situation as a mistake due to lack of safeguards for documents, the source said.”

My favorite quote:
"How that could possibly happen? How one -- anyone could be that irresponsible?" Biden said. "And I thought what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods? By that I mean names of people who helped or, et cetera. ... totally irresponsible."



A secure office building or a secure residence… I don’t see a difference. I see the difference here being that Biden “cooperated”.

Not going to speculate on what was in the classified documents like the left did with Trump. Seems like mishandling documents happens more often then we realize.

 

[Deleted member 365]

mistakes happen. What Donald did wasn’t a mistake.

Besides, I’ve been assured for several months now by Republicans that this sort of thing isn’t a big deal. Just blow off the government and whine about being persecuted. Your drooling base won’t care as long as you continue to feed into their grievance and paranoia. All that matters is what your base thinks.

 

[gandalfe]

A secure office building or a secure residence… I don’t see a difference. I see the difference here being that Biden “cooperated”.

Not going to speculate on what was in the classified documents like the left did with Trump. Seems like mishandling documents happens more often then we realize.

Biden didn't just cooperate, we wouldn't even know about it if he/his team hadn't said something. It is a tad concerning that it's taken 2 months before the public was told about it, but I can think of several non-political reasons why that would be reasonable/appropriate.

 

[Bucknutz]

mistakes happen. What Donald did wasn’t a mistake.

Besides, I’ve been assured for several months now by Republicans that this sort of thing isn’t a big deal. Just blow off the government and whine about being persecuted. Your drooling base won’t care as long as you continue to feed into their grievance and paranoia. All that matters is what your base thinks.

And at the same time the Left saying it is a big deal to have classified documents. Does the VP have declassifying powers? That was Trump's defense; Biden can't use that as his. Like Gandalfe said, its a tad concerning that it took 2 months before the public knew. They knew about it before the election... Is it really that hard for you to criticize your own party.

 

[gandalfe]

And at the same time the Left saying it is a big deal to have classified documents. Does the VP have declassifying powers? That was Trump's defense; Biden can't use that as his. Like Gandalfe said, its a tad concerning that it took 2 months before the public knew. They knew about it before the election... Is it really that hard for you to criticize your own party.

Is it really that hard for you to acknowledge the main point of what I said?

Also, it was about 15 months between when NARA realized there were documents missing and when the FBI executed the search warrant - I don't remember hearing anything about it before then, altho I may have. So, which is longer/worse, 2 months or 15?

 

[Bucknutz]

Is it really that hard for you to acknowledge the main point of what I said?

No, I presented it. You also forgot to add it could be political as well, you know midterms…

Also, it was about 15 months between when NARA realized there were documents missing and when the FBI executed the search warrant - I don't remember hearing anything about it before then, altho I may have. So, which is longer/worse, 2 months or 15?

How long did Biden have the documents? He was VP from 08-16. So, which is longer/worse, 15 months or 72?

I personally don’t care about this. It doesn’t affect me at all. I bet nothing happens to him unlike democrats John Deutch or Sandy Berger and Republican David Petraeus. It’s even worse for the average citizen who “makes a mistake” of mishandling classified information.
Example:

Ex-US Navy man sentenced for taking classified information

A former member of the U.S. Navy has been sentenced to prison for illegally keeping classified national defense information, including that of some U.S. nuclear operations.

www.navytimes.com

I find it funny that you can’t criticize your own party. It’s okay to do it. You can criticize your sports team (Jazz) but you can’t with your political party. Strange

 

[gandalfe]

No, I presented it. You also forgot to add it could be political as well, you know midterms…

No, the main point was that we wouldn't even know if he hadn't reported it. You know, the thing I led with, not the BTW part in the middle.

 

[Bucknutz]

No, the main point was that we wouldn't even know if he hadn't reported it. You know, the thing I led with, not the BTW part in the middle.

My opening post:
“I see the difference here being that Biden “cooperated”.”

I think we both are talking about the same thing. When the lawyers found the documents, they reached out to NARA and worked with them.

That’s not the real issue. It’s that he had the classified documents in the first place. If Trump “cooperated” the same way as Bidens team, it wouldn’t be viewed as bad as it was.

Again, I don’t think anything will happen to Biden. The Republicans will try to make it look bad just for politics and show and it will end up just being a waste of time.

Example:

View: https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1612599597116841985?s=46&t=nsbQNWcuSAdV9A_FxLjACQ

 

[gandalfe]

My opening post:
“I see the difference here being that Biden “cooperated”.”

I think we both are talking about the same thing. When the lawyers found the documents, they reached out to NARA and worked with them.

That’s not the real issue. It’s that he had the classified documents in the first place. If Trump “cooperated” the same way as Bidens team, it wouldn’t be viewed as bad as it was.

Again, I don’t think anything will happen to Biden. The Republicans will try to make it look bad just for politics and show and it will end up just being a waste of time.

Example:

View: https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1612599597116841985?s=46&t=nsbQNWcuSAdV9A_FxLjACQ

You mean if he had told them about it literally the day they discovered it and turned them over immediately?

 

[Deleted member 365]

And at the same time the Left saying it is a big deal to have classified documents. Does the VP have declassifying powers? That was Trump's defense; Biden can't use that as his. Like Gandalfe said, its a tad concerning that it took 2 months before the public knew. They knew about it before the election... Is it really that hard for you to criticize your own party.

I dunno, does the VP have declassifying powers? What if Biden just mentally declassified them, like Trump did? I just know that I’ve been assured many times by right wingers on this site that it’s not big deal when former presidents steal classified data and don’t cooperate. But I guess now it’s a big deal if current presidents have classified documents and cooperate? I’m confused. A consistent answer from your ilk is needed.

If Biden committed a simple mistake and cooperated with government officials, then why bring this up?

 

[Deleted member 365]

You mean if he had told them about it literally the day they discovered it and turned them over immediately?

Biden bad.
Trump good.
Drool drool #MAGA drool

 

[Bucknutz]

I dunno, does the VP have declassifying powers? What if Biden just mentally declassified them, like Trump did?

You know this answer. You’re trying to discount the this important fact, that the VP cannot declassify.

I just know that I’ve been assured many times by right wingers on this site that it’s not big deal when former presidents steal classified data and don’t cooperate. But I guess now it’s a big deal if current presidents have classified documents and cooperate? I’m confused. A consistent answer from your ilk is needed.

Is the crime cooperation? No, it’s mishandling information. Once again trying to play defense for your side.

If Biden committed a simple mistake and cooperated with government officials, then why bring this up?

You said it’s a simple mistake. Taking classified information is a crime. I said the difference is cooperating. I also said POTUS has declassifying powers and the VP doesn’t, so Biden cannot use that as his defense.

Again why is it so hard for you to go after the left? You personally tell everyone the right is the worst and you post when one of them say or do something stupid or wrong. Yet you play defense and downplay the situation when it’s happening on the left. It’s a relieving feeling when you are not tied to a side and can be honest about situations.

 

[Deleted member 365]

You know this answer. You’re trying to discount the this important fact, that the VP cannot declassify.

Is the crime cooperation? No, it’s mishandling information. Once again trying to play defense for your side.


You said it’s a simple mistake. Taking classified information is a crime. I said the difference is cooperating. I also said POTUS has declassifying powers and the VP doesn’t, so Biden cannot use that as his defense.

Again why is it so hard for you to go after the left? You personally tell everyone the right is the worst and you post when one of them say or do something stupid or wrong. Yet you play defense and downplay the situation when it’s happening on the left. It’s a relieving feeling when you are not tied to a side and can be honest about situations.

I don’t know what elected officials can and cannot do after the last few years. Blow off subpoenas, recommend lysol infections and flashlights up the *** to cure Covid, declassify documents on Hannity, and demand state authorities commit voter fraud or else you’ll wage an insurrrection at the Capitol. Apparently that’s all fine and legal. It’s either been excusing by the right or admired by the right.

But one thing I heard when Trump’s malfeasance was discovered that mistakes sometimes happen and cooperation helps. The government does afford elected and formerly elected officials grace for committing mistakes vs lying and obstruction of Justice. Although, since nothing has happened to Trump, maybe there isn’t any difference anymore? So I don’t know what the crime would be since Trump hasn’t been prosecuted with anything. Is having or stealing or lying about classified documents still a crime? Perhaps Biden should’ve told the government that he had returned all the classified information (when he hadn’t) and left it in an insecure room at his Florida golf resort? Could he go onto Maddow right now and de-classify them mentally??? I’m just using your own logic here.

My pt is, this is a nothingburger. I get that after a disappointing midterm and an embarrassing House fight, you’d love to turn the attention onto this nothing story that’ll maybe work for two news cycles. Don’t worry, I’m sure there will be a debt ceiling fight, non-existent school curriculum, or some panic over brown people that you can bash Biden over soon. It’s just silly to get too upset over this story. Especially when Trump hasn’t faced any consequences.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

When you want to know how to grow a tomato, ask a farmer/gardener. When you want to know how to change your spark plugs ask an auto mechanic. When you want to know how to build a deck ask a carpenter.

When you want to know where to find child porn... who ya gonna call?

You'd call an educator, a person who has put so much effort into being around other people's children that it is their profession.

Inspector Report Found Hundreds Of Chicago Teachers Allegedly Sexually Groomed, Raped Students

An annual report found hundreds of Chicago Public School (CPS) teachers were accused of adult-to-student sexual misconduct in the 2021-2022 school year.

dailycaller.com

New report details sexual misconduct allegations in Chicago school system

Quarter of school complaints involve allegations of sexual violence in report released at beginning of this month

www.theguardian.com

Report: 500 sexual misconduct complaints against Chicago Public School employees

Chicago Public Schools’ top watchdog reported 470 sexual allegations from students against employees.

www.illinoispolicy.org

 

[Bucknutz]

I don’t know what elected officials can and cannot do after the last few years. Blow off subpoenas, recommend lysol infections and flashlights up the *** to cure Covid, declassify documents on Hannity, and demand state authorities commit voter fraud or else you’ll wage an insurrrection at the Capitol. Apparently that’s all fine and legal. It’s either been excusing by the right or admired by the right.

What about, what about, what about. All these topics have been thoroughly discussed. Just more deflecting.

But one thing I heard when Trump’s malfeasance was discovered that mistakes sometimes happen and cooperation helps. The government does afford elected and formerly elected officials grace for committing mistakes vs lying and obstruction of Justice.

This was my point from the start. But taking classified documents is not a mistake. You know what you are doing.

Although, since nothing has happened to Trump, maybe there isn’t any difference anymore? So I don’t know what the crime would be since Trump hasn’t been prosecuted with anything. Is having or stealing or lying about classified documents still a crime?

Yes, it’s still a crime even though they will probably not do anything about it.

Perhaps Biden should’ve told the government that he had returned all the classified information (when he hadn’t) and left it in an insecure room at his Florida golf resort? Could he go onto Maddow right now and de-classify them mentally??? I’m just using your own logic here.

What logic did I use? I said the POTUS has the ability to declassify information and the VP can’t. You’re trying to make hollow and ignorant comparison which doesn’t do anything for this conversation. You complain about sincerity of the other person debating and you do exactly what you complain about.

My pt is, this is a nothingburger. I get that after a disappointing midterm and an embarrassing House fight, you’d love to turn the attention onto this nothing story that’ll maybe work for two news cycles.

My response from the mid terms. Not disappointed or embarrassed. I was actually excited:
I thought it was a great night. It looks like and I hope congress is split. If the Republicans take the house by a small margin, then hopefully they would realize it would be political suicide to have revenge hearings towards people on the left. It would also create the right to have a small voice and can have a little push back.
If they start on the pointless hearings then they deserve to loose in the next election.
I’m happy Oz and Boebert lost. It shows that people will vote out the fringe. I’m pumped that DeSantis is still my Governor. Just a good overall night.
Obviously, we found out later that Boebert ended up winning. So I wasn’t happy about that.

Don’t worry, I’m sure there will be a debt ceiling fight, non-existent school curriculum, or some panic over brown people that you can bash Biden over soon. It’s just silly to get too upset over this story. Especially when Trump hasn’t faced any consequences.

Can’t stop yourself from putting a “racist” comment in your post.

Again not upset, I have already stated that I don’t care about it. I have also stated I don’t believe anything will happen to Biden. The post was pointed to the hypocrisy in Politics.

Still, my question to you, which you keep avoiding, is why is so hard for you to bash someone on your political side?

 

[Deleted member 365]

What about, what about, what about. All these topics have been thoroughly discussed. Just more deflecting.

This was my point from the start. But taking classified documents is not a mistake. You know what you are doing.


Yes, it’s still a crime even though they will probably not do anything about it.

What logic did I use? I said the POTUS has the ability to declassify information and the VP can’t. You’re trying to make hollow and ignorant comparison which doesn’t do anything for this conversation. You complain about sincerity of the other person debating and you do exactly what you complain about.


My response from the mid terms. Not disappointed or embarrassed. I was actually excited:
I thought it was a great night. It looks like and I hope congress is split. If the Republicans take the house by a small margin, then hopefully they would realize it would be political suicide to have revenge hearings towards people on the left. It would also create the right to have a small voice and can have a little push back.
If they start on the pointless hearings then they deserve to loose in the next election.
I’m happy Oz and Boebert lost. It shows that people will vote out the fringe. I’m pumped that DeSantis is still my Governor. Just a good overall night.
Obviously, we found out later that Boebert ended up winning. So I wasn’t happy about that.

Can’t stop yourself from putting a “racist” comment in your post.

Again not upset, I have already stated that I don’t care about it. I have also stated I don’t believe anything will happen to Biden. The post was pointed to the hypocrisy in Politics.

Still, my question to you, which you keep avoiding, is why is so hard for you to bash someone on your political side?

There's a difference between sloppiness and malfeasance. Sounds like Biden's issue was the former while Trump's is the latter. Of course, I'm not sure if there truly is anymore since Trump hasn't been prosecuted for anything. Besides, isn't this par for the course since RWers like yourself have been calling Biden senile and incompetent since before he even took the WH?

It's cute that you think extremists in the House will actually pull things to the right. Creating larger deficits seems to be the opposite of fiscal responsibility.

Besides, none of this matters as I'm a single issue voter, muh liberal judges. Anything and everything is excusable as long as I get muh judges.

 

[One Brow]

Is the crime cooperation? No, it’s mishandling information. Once again trying to play defense for your side.

In Trump's case, the crime is obstruction.

 

[Bucknutz]

In Trump's case, the crime is obstruction.

Agreed, in addition to mishandling

 

[One Brow]

You'd call an educator, a person who has put so much effort into being around other people's children that it is their profession.

The numbers seem pretty small considering there are over 300K kids in the system.

https://cpsoig.org/uploads/3/5/5/6/35562484/cps_oig_fy_2022_annual_report.pdf

The SAU was, and remains, the only independent investigative body in the nation with jurisdiction over a broad range of sexual misconduct complaints and related allegations involving K–12 school-based staff and students.

Good thing that swim coaches don't suffer the same scrutiny, right?