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Yes, he’s talking about personality types like Donald Trump. Distinguishing between constitutional republic vs. direct democracy isn’t really relevant to Hamilton’s warning. He’s warning us about demagogues. Each of us has the right to vote for an individual we desire to see as president. We vote for that specific office. The system we have certainly permits people to arise who will resemble the type of individual Hamilton is describing. You are interpreting it correctly. It’s not rocket science, and no, the rise of an individual like Trump is not a danger than can only happen in a direct democracy. Of course it can happen in our constitutional republic.
Heck, with the development of mass communication, things like television and the internet, it becomes even easier for such personalities to wield influence. Living in a society torn apart by the culture wars we are experiencing, that is when the time is ripe for the emergence of an authoritarian demagogue, with the very traits Hamilton described. None of this is something that we are protected from, simply by living in a constitutional republic. We are not protected by our own lack of education, we are not protected by our lack of critical thinking skills, we are not protected by the ability of a Trump to tell disaffected people exactly what they want to hear, including that it’s OK, and to be encouraged, that we hate fellow citizens that do not support the demagogue….
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Sex scandalized GOP official reportedly cites Trump values as new Republican standard
The chair of the Florida Republican Party, Christian Ziegler, is being accused of rape by the woman he and his wife reportedly sometimes have sex with. Ziegler denies the accusation but the investigation alone has scandalized fellow Republicans who held the Zieglers as paragons of conservative...
The chair of the Florida Republican Party, Christian Ziegler, is being accused of rape by the woman he and his wife reportedly sometimes have sex with. Ziegler denies the accusation but the investigation alone has scandalized fellow Republicans who held the Zieglers as paragons of conservative virtue. In resisting calls to resign his position, Ziegler cites the party's leader, Donald Trump, and Republican acceptance of the behavioral standard Trump has set.
Investigation documents revealed the woman told police Ziegler and his wife, Moms for Liberty co-founder Bridget Ziegler, had arranged a threesome the day of the encounter. But text messages show Christian Ziegler informed the woman by text that Bridget could not make it, and the woman told him she was no longer interested. “Sorry I was mostly in for her,” the woman texted. But surveillance cameras show Christian Ziegler showed up at the apartment complex five minutes after that text anyway, and he admitted to police he had sex with the woman but claimed it was consensual.
“The video of the sex act is brief in duration and the victim can be heard telling Ziegler to climax in her mouth rather than on her new shirt,” the sources said.
The nature of the video could complicate prosecution, but significant questions about consent remain.
Besides the woman telling Christian Ziegler she was no longer interested in meeting for a hookup, the accuser also told police she “was not in a place to consent because it was her day off and she had been drinking Tequila all day,” according to a search warrant released by police.
It’s also unclear if Ziegler had consent to film the encounter on his cell phone. Ziegler told police he initially deleted the video but later uploaded it to Google Drive. Police needed the warrant to obtain the video from Google.
Records show communication between the woman and Christian Ziegler as well where she tells him she was “not okay” with the encounter. “That was not cool and you didn’t bring her and then did that to me,” she said in a message to Ziegler at one point. She also said she could not work for a period of weeks after the encounter. In recorded messages, she accused him of sexual assault and he denied that. In that conversation, he also offered the woman financial help.
I liked this comment: The wife is co-founder of Mom's for Liberty - who preach parental rights, book banning and standing in judgement of those in the LGBTQ community.
Meanwhile, they're having threesomes.
I don't care what consenting adults do either so long as 1. No one gets hurt, 2. Don't preach to us about your 'holier than thou' values.
Saw this comment as well:
DeSantis gave her a $400,000 a year job running Disney's infrastructure ?
Kind of makes one wonder if she shared those cowboy boots too ?
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The Thriller
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Traditional family values right there.Sex scandalized GOP official reportedly cites Trump values as new Republican standard
The chair of the Florida Republican Party, Christian Ziegler, is being accused of rape by the woman he and his wife reportedly sometimes have sex with. Ziegler denies the accusation but the investigation alone has scandalized fellow Republicans who held the Zieglers as paragons of conservative...www.yahoo.com
The chair of the Florida Republican Party, Christian Ziegler, is being accused of rape by the woman he and his wife reportedly sometimes have sex with. Ziegler denies the accusation but the investigation alone has scandalized fellow Republicans who held the Zieglers as paragons of conservative virtue. In resisting calls to resign his position, Ziegler cites the party's leader, Donald Trump, and Republican acceptance of the behavioral standard Trump has set.
Investigation documents revealed the woman told police Ziegler and his wife, Moms for Liberty co-founder Bridget Ziegler, had arranged a threesome the day of the encounter. But text messages show Christian Ziegler informed the woman by text that Bridget could not make it, and the woman told him she was no longer interested. “Sorry I was mostly in for her,” the woman texted. But surveillance cameras show Christian Ziegler showed up at the apartment complex five minutes after that text anyway, and he admitted to police he had sex with the woman but claimed it was consensual.
“The video of the sex act is brief in duration and the victim can be heard telling Ziegler to climax in her mouth rather than on her new shirt,” the sources said.
The nature of the video could complicate prosecution, but significant questions about consent remain.
Besides the woman telling Christian Ziegler she was no longer interested in meeting for a hookup, the accuser also told police she “was not in a place to consent because it was her day off and she had been drinking Tequila all day,” according to a search warrant released by police.
It’s also unclear if Ziegler had consent to film the encounter on his cell phone. Ziegler told police he initially deleted the video but later uploaded it to Google Drive. Police needed the warrant to obtain the video from Google.
Records show communication between the woman and Christian Ziegler as well where she tells him she was “not okay” with the encounter. “That was not cool and you didn’t bring her and then did that to me,” she said in a message to Ziegler at one point. She also said she could not work for a period of weeks after the encounter. In recorded messages, she accused him of sexual assault and he denied that. In that conversation, he also offered the woman financial help.
I liked this comment: The wife is co-founder of Mom's for Liberty - who preach parental rights, book banning and standing in judgement of those in the LGBTQ community.
Meanwhile, they're having threesomes.
I don't care what consenting adults do either so long as 1. No one gets hurt, 2. Don't preach to us about your 'holier than thou' values.
Saw this comment as well:
DeSantis gave her a $400,000 a year job running Disney's infrastructure ?
Kind of makes one wonder if she shared those cowboy boots too ?
We used to call what the wife did hypocritical. But in a post reality world, where 40-50 percent of the country will defend their tribe no matter how hypocritical they act, it just doesn’t matter. It does seem like those who cry the most about the decline of values are the ones with the most amount of skeletons in the closet.
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I haven't filled up on gas in about a month and I remember last time I filled up that gas was a lot cheaper.
This time I was blown away by how cheap. For the 88 octane stuff it was like 2.85 at Chevron. Only cost like 46 dollars to fill up my 4 runner! I remember it costing like 88 dollars.
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This time I was blown away by how cheap. For the 88 octane stuff it was like 2.85 at Chevron. Only cost like 46 dollars to fill up my 4 runner! I remember it costing like 88 dollars.
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I have seen a handful of headlines stating that these Hunter biden charges could really hurt joe bidens campaign chances. Just another huge difference between the two parties.
A candidates son has some tax stuff and filled out a form to buy a gun incorrectly. This hurts the candidates chance in the democratic party.
A candidate makes a fake university and loses in court. A candidate commits a sexual assault and loses in court. A candidate steals from a charity and loses in court. A candidates business commits fraud and loses in court. A candidate is facing 91 current charges. One candidate (the actual candidate, not his kid mind you) has all that criming going on and this stuff actually helps the republican candidate rather than hurts him.
Bat **** crazy
A candidates son has some tax stuff and filled out a form to buy a gun incorrectly. This hurts the candidates chance in the democratic party.
A candidate makes a fake university and loses in court. A candidate commits a sexual assault and loses in court. A candidate steals from a charity and loses in court. A candidates business commits fraud and loses in court. A candidate is facing 91 current charges. One candidate (the actual candidate, not his kid mind you) has all that criming going on and this stuff actually helps the republican candidate rather than hurts him.
Bat **** crazy
$2.92 for premium today at Costco. Biden rules! Just kidding, but if I were a Trumptard praising Trump for gas prices I wouldn't be.
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The Thriller
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Why not? This administration deserves a lot of credit considering where we were in the spring of 2021. Soft landing on inflation, unemployment at historic lows, stock market skyrocketing, wages up, GDP up, we’ve never exported so much gas, all while navigating tough foreign policy land mines and a large well funded authoritarian movement domestically.
Just because Trump’s cabinet went overboard and praised Trump for every breath of life doesn’t mean that we can’t give the Biden administration credit for needed domestic investments, wealth creation policy, and stable leadership.
Figuring out a President's effect on gas prices is way beyond my pay grade. I agree that it's been stable leadership, especially compared to Agent Orange. Call me old fashioned but I'll take semi-senile to malignant narcissist/dictator any day.
The Thriller
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My wallet and 401k definitely has seen an improvement since 2020. And thousands of us aren’t dying each day because the president wants to downplay a pandemic to better his chances of winning reelection.
I think we need to give Biden credit for a lot of good his administration has done. And it would be insane to return to the vomit that we nearly didn’t survive from 2020.
The White House is threatening the patents of high-priced drugs developed with taxpayer dollars
The Biden administration is putting pharmaceutical companies on notice. Washington is warning them that if the price of certain drugs is too high, the government might cancel their patent protection and allow rivals to make their own versions.
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I have Rheumatoid Arthritis and have been taking a biologic shot weekly for the past year. They retail at $7000 per shot ($364,000 per year). My insurance paid all but $225 per month, and a manufacturer assistance program paid $220. So I have only been paying $5 per month. Sweet!
And then I retired. And I have yet to get an answer from Medicaid if it is covered. So I haven't had a shot for almost 4 weeks now.
Anyway, I'm not impressed by the cost of medication in this country. Help me, Biden!
And then I retired. And I have yet to get an answer from Medicaid if it is covered. So I haven't had a shot for almost 4 weeks now.
Anyway, I'm not impressed by the cost of medication in this country. Help me, Biden!
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Yes, but. But the way we “sell” presidents. We use marketing to sell a president to the public. People learn about their presidential candidates primarily via the media. Television comes to mind. When it becomes a popularity contest, a skilled demagogue like Trump, a populist, can take advantage of widespread discontent among a significant portion of the electorate, and utilize those populist skills. Such a system can also be a “populist monster factory”. From that perspective, Hamilton was right. You have a system that permits populists, you’ll eventually get populists. When people vote for the office of the president, they may be under the illusion that this is somehow direct democracy, when it isn’t, but so far as permitting the rise of populists who may be poisonous to our body politic, the system we have both permits it, and via the selling of a president, marketing personalities, (and who’s better than Trump in marketing himself, stirring fear in his followers, making himself and his followers equal victims of a stacked corrupt system?), encourages it! Our system of marketing candidates encourages populism, makes it easy to attempt. Nothing in the way things work prevents a Donald Trump from appearing in highly stressful times, in times of culture wars, and acting the part of a successful demagogue.
So, yes, Hamilton was taking about direct democracy and the appearance of people like Trump. But we did not avoid the problems he feared, and at least part of the reason was the reasons I pointed out, IMO. One person, one vote, plus the selling of a president, of course can lead to a president like Trump.
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If someone believes differently they should die as they did in the crusades, of course; preferably at the hands of someone in a red hat.
Christianity is the little cult that could. It's nice little story that got traction by power seekers who used it to gain control. Not that long ago Rome was already a thriving modern city when a small unorganized sect began promising personal salvation after death, and Christianity was begun. Jesus and Christianity could have been anyone doing a good deed and suffering for it at any point in history, blown up into a method of subjugating those looking for answers to the unanswerable.
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He's too old.
The dude's been in politics so long he's programmed to shake hands.
“I complain about the United States not being Athens. I certainly say we are a very good Roman republic, and the lies are based upon the most advanced techniques of advertising, which is the only art form my country has ever created—the television commercial—and we sell soap and presidents in the same fashion. Once a country is habituated to liars, it takes generations to bring the truth back.”
― Gore Vidal, Imperial America: Reflections on the United States of Amnesia (Emphasis mine)
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“wHy DoEsN’t AnYoNe DeBaTe Me?”
If “conservatives” on this site want to be taken more seriously, perhaps they should change and be more serious with their posting?
If “conservatives” on this site want to be taken more seriously, perhaps they should change and be more serious with their posting?