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Wow! More good news!

Wha??? You mean pushing ‘defund the police’ was a dumb idea, and reversing course to increase funding of law enforcement makes us safer? Who could have possibly seen that coming?
 
Wha??? You mean pushing ‘defund the police’ was a dumb idea, and reversing course to increase funding of law enforcement makes us safer? Who could have possibly seen that coming?
Wait, so you are saying that police are getting more funding while Biden is president?
More great news! I think they should get more funding so it's great to know that this administration is supportive of police despite what fox news would say

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Wait, so you are saying that police are getting more funding while Biden is president?
I am. The whole 'defund the police' or the even more aggressive 'abolish the police' idea was so dumb that it only held sway for about a year. I agree with you that they should get more funding. It directly correlates to how safe we are as a society but that period did catch some of the more intellectually lightweight making statements of support for a course of action most of us now correctly recognize as idiotic.

Here is one of this board's upstanding posters pushing an article promoting the 'abolish the police' effort in Minneapolis back in 2020. To the credit of Minneapolis, they ran away from this effort by 2022 and boosted funding of law enforcement.
You clearly don’t know what advocates for “defunding the police” want. Turning off Fox News and am radio would do you wonders. This is a pretty good article to get started:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/us/what-does-defund-police-mean.html
 
I absolutely don't think that more police = more safe.

Our society has been getting more safe essentially since forever ago. We're more sensitive to violence, less accepting of it, more aware of different types of violence, and much more willing to hold people accountable for violent activity. We don't need more police for that because it isn't police being on scene that captures most violent activity. What we need are more lawyers and more judges and/or the same amount but less of them devoted to the stuff police generate themselves like traffic stops that get elevated to a violent encounter in which the police have to blame the citizen and charge them with felonies to cover for their own felonious activities. Less attention to drug interdiction which pretty much inherently requires violations of citizens rights to carry out.

I would support the police if they as a whole were professional and disciplined. They are currently made up largely of macho little dick energy bullies with fragile egos.
 
I have zero interest in re-hashing the summer of 2020. Those who want to read up on our discussions on how to improve policing may do so. Many of us had well thought out and nuanced ideas on how to reform law enforcement in this country to help them avoid deadly conflicts, confiscate property that isn’t theirs, and help lead us to a more equitable and just society, things that go far over Al’s head.

If you want to read up on this, the thread is there but I have zero interest in being trolled into another idiotic conversation with a poster who used to be called something else in 2020 until we got tired of his schtick back then. Troll

So It should surprise no one that @Al-O-Meter continues his same trolling ways in 2023 and took a paragraph from my post and quoted it here, shaving important context in order to irritate and troll rather than actually discuss.

Here’s my entire post:
You clearly don’t know what advocates for “defunding the police” want. Turning off Fox News and am radio would do you wonders. This is a pretty good article to get started:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/us/what-does-defund-police-mean.html

This gives a perspective on policing from around the world:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...raint-how-police-tactics-differ-around-world/

This thread from today changed my view on policing. I mean, seriously, how is this system acceptable?



The tweet above explains how minor problems can lead to escalations. A contributing factor to America’s police force being the deadliest in the world. Again, you won’t get this perspective from the right wing sources you consume:

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/

Finally, John Oliver had a good interview the other night explaining how defunding would allocate resources to help communities grow and be safer and healthier:



Ask yourself, why did intellectually honest heavy weight @Al-O-Meter omit these parts of my post? Where did I advocate taking away police money? Did I advocate cutting their funding or did I advocate for learning the way police work in different countries to consider potential reforms that would make policing better in ours? There’s plenty of room for learning about different ideas and critically thinking about what might work best for our country. Some people here seem to fear education, nuanced ideas, and critical thinking and prefer indoctrination and trollery.

As a whole, “Defund the Police” was a stupid slogan. It wasn’t indicative of what reformers wanted or desired. “Reform the Police” works better. I believe that reasonable people from any political side can have legit concerns on police work in our country and can have good faith arguments on how to reform the police to best serve our communities in the 21st century. That is all I have to say about that.

Isn’t it nice to see crime go down instead of up, like it was under Trump? Isn’t it nice to have a president who supports law enforcement rather than asking his cultists to break the law and kill police? Isn’t it nice to have a president who unites all of us normal people who believe in law and order and who isn’t going to trial for 90+ felony counts? Who wants to return to those four years of corruption, crime and chaos that we saw from 2016-2020? I, like most normal Americans, certainly don’t!
 
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It wasn't just a stupid slogan. It was a stupid idea being pushed by stupid people. I'm glad people came to their senses.
It's an explanation of what defund the police means. Triller just said "here's a good place to start if you want to understand what defund the police means" which was probably helpful as many people at that time equated defund the police with no more police officers at all ever.
 
Here are some cops doing a welfare check.

Trust me, you NEVER want the police to do a welfare check on you.


Aw, did you find an incident in the past 5 years where civil rights were violated and the wronged person was empowered to seek justice for it in a court of law via civil lawsuit?

Allow me to tell you about a female friend of mine who was forced by a police officer in Mexico to give him a ******** on the side of the road. Let me to inform you that when a group of Federales with badges and automatic rifles search your vehicle, they get to take whatever they want and there is nothing you can do about it. Politicians who run on a platform of fighting corruption are often found hanging from overpasses before the election.

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Perhaps a better example of ‘defund the police’ is Haiti where they lost half of all their police. Having one of the highest murder rates in the world including one dead president and Kenya has agreed to send in their own law enforcement, who has a history of extrajudicial killings and excessive use of force, to reestablish some semblance of order.


I’m happy that you’ve lived such a sheltered life that you think your video shows a system of law enforcement so horrible that the whole thing needs to be torn down. I’m not saying it is perfect but it is pretty damn good and we do have mechanisms in place to address when it falls short. Sadly there are millions of people the world over willing to risk their lives to live under a system you trash in your naiveté. They could tell you how wrong you are if only you were willing to listen.
 
Aw, did you find an incident in the past 5 years where civil rights were violated and the wronged person was empowered to seek justice for it in a court of law via civil lawsuit?

Allow me to tell you about a female friend of mine who was forced by a police officer in Mexico to give him a ******** on the side of the road. Let me to inform you that when a group of Federales with badges and automatic rifles search your vehicle, they get to take whatever they want and there is nothing you can do about it. Politicians who run on a platform of fighting corruption are often found hanging from overpasses before the election.

cabos-colgados.jpg


Perhaps a better example of ‘defund the police’ is Haiti where they lost half of all their police. Having one of the highest murder rates in the world including one dead president and Kenya has agreed to send in their own law enforcement, who has a history of extrajudicial killings and excessive use of force, to reestablish some semblance of order.


I’m happy that you’ve lived such a sheltered life that you think your video shows a system of law enforcement so horrible that the whole thing needs to be torn down. I’m not saying it is perfect but it is pretty damn good and we do have mechanisms in place to address when it falls short. Sadly there are millions of people the world over willing to risk their lives to live under a system you trash in your naiveté. They could tell you how wrong you are if only you were willing to listen.
I didn't say or express any of the random **** you're trying to put on me. I have no idea what you're on about.
 
@Rubashov Did you see how little Johnny Howard’s documents related to the decision making regarding joining th Iraq war have “gone missing” ? lol. Count me shocked
 
@Rubashov Did you see how little Johnny Howard’s documents related to the decision making regarding joining th Iraq war have “gone missing” ? lol. Count me shocked

I'm shocked but aren't those papers meant to be sealed for 35 years anyway? The contempt for public opinion in them would be remarkable.
 
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