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BENTLEY said:
In the midst of a crisis tryna help a couple at my church dealing cancer and car troubles. I’d love to speak more but God has other plans for me at the moment.

Go Jazz - on that we can agree.

When I get this stuff dealt with we can resume our disagreements (in hopes of getting somewhere).

Nevertheless, Mark Twain’s quote echoes “it’s easier to fool someone than convince
them they’ve been fooled.”


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The folks you will find here have been circle jerking each other for probably ten years or more about the same stupid stuff. There isn’t interest in anything that isn’t trump bad, Russia bad, they won’t form an opinion until they know whatever the opposite of trump is.
These are lifelong friendships and alliances these folks formed over this internet message board. They won’t differ in opinion probably for fear of being bullied and ostracized like they’ve seen each other do to countless other visitors over the years. I don’t think they can afford to lose these circle jerk friendships they’ve invested so much time and effort into for so long.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Let's see, most trolls are no longer getting anywhere, so old troll names reappear out of nowhere. Crazy, right?
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Is there a way for @Jason to tell how many of these alt accounts are the same person? What’s the most you’ve ever seen Jason? And have any of them surprised you? I’m just curious. Like 3 alt accounts? 5? 10? I’d lose track of which email went with what account and what type of personality I was supposed to have with which account. Just amazing how much effort goes into trying to get attention on the internet. Imagine if that same effort were put into doing something constructive in real life.

I know in the Carlos arroyo Raul Lopez era I once created an alt account. I was still in high school. Jason called me out. I used it to try and promote Carlos as 2003-2005, that seemed to be a huge debate for the team. And Jason called me out on it. lol. Never had another alt since.
 
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BENTLEY said:
The Meuller investigation last almost 3 years. But what convictions had anything to do with Russia?
Do you know who paid for the Dossier?


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Why have you decided to simply ignore the bipartisan Senate report? Read it. You’re woefully ill informed….

nymag.com

Bipartisan Senate Report Shows How Trump Colluded With Russia in 2016

Trump and his advisers acted guilty because they were.
nymag.com nymag.com

“Unlike Mueller’s tightly circumscribed criminal probe, the Senate Intelligence Committee report did investigate collusion. The most important evidence of collusion has either already been exposed (Trump officials taking a meeting with a Russian agent offering Vladimir Putin’s help with the campaign) or happened right in front of our eyes (Trump going on television to ask Russia to steal and publish Hillary Clinton’s emails). The real question is how extensively or tightly Trump’s campaign managed to coordinate its activity with Russia. And while it lacked the broad-ranging investigative powers Mueller could have used if he wanted, the Senate Intelligence Committee turned up damning evidence”

Hell, Trump even pardoned one of the obvious colluders:


“In an explosive development, the Biden administration confirmed that a Russian government agent with close connections to Donald Trump’s top 2016 campaign official “provided the Russian Intelligence Services with sensitive information on polling and [Trump] campaign strategy.”

“……. But just how valuable was the polling and campaign strategy data that Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign chairman, gave to a Russian agent?

According to Brad Parscale, Trump’s election data guru, the information that Manafort handed directly to Russian intelligence was of critical importance, determining “98 percent” of the campaign’s resource allocations (such as spending on TV, radio and social media ads, rallies, field operations, and so on)“

“……According to the then-Republican-led Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the ultrasensitive campaign information that Manafort passed to a Russian spy “identified voter bases in blue-collar, democratic-leaning states which Trump could swing,” including in “Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota.”
 
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www.yahoo.com

Trump, progressives suffer a rough night: 5 takeaways from Tuesday’s primaries

Tuesday’s contests in Colorado, New York, South Carolina and Utah saw the first incumbent House Democrat to lose in a primary this cycle, along with several losses for Trump-endorsed candidates. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party suffered a major blow when Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.)...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

These results were pretty good. It was a good election for moderate candidates and a poor election for trumpers and far left candidates.

Local ties: In Utah, Trump-endorsed Riverton Mayor Trent Staggs lost the Republican primary for the Senate seat being vacated by retiring Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah). Instead, Rep. John Curtis (R-Utah), a more moderate candidate, prevailed.
 

Inflation remains public enemy No. 1 in today’s economy. Americans are fed up with the cost of living and former President Donald Trump says he will help.

Yet 16 Nobel Prize-winning economists are warning that Trump’s proposals wouldn’t just fail to fix inflation — they would make matters worse.

In particular, the economists point to Trump’s “fiscally irresponsible budgets” and nonpartisan research from the likes of the Peterson Institute, Oxford Economics and Allianz that finds the Trump agenda — if successfully enacted — would increase inflation.

Trump approved $8.4 trillion of new 10-year borrowing during his term — nearly twice as much as President Joe Biden has so far in office, according to fiscal watchdog group the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

Not only does Trump want to extend his 2017 tax cuts — a move that the Congressional Budget Office warns would cost nearly $5 trillion — but the former president recently told CEOs during a closed-door meeting that he’d like to cut the corporate tax rate even further.

However, cutting taxes would risk accelerating an economy at a time when the Federal Reserve is working hard to slow it down to fight inflation.

“The outcome of this election will have economic repercussions for years, and possibly decades, to come,” the economists wrote in the letter. “We believe that a second Trump term would have a negative impact on the US’s economic standing in the world and a destabilizing effect on the US’s domestic economy.”

The Stiglitz-led letter did not directly mention Trump’s trade and immigration policies, but some mainstream economists warn they would be inflationary, too.

Trump has called for raising tariffs on China and all other trading partners — a move that Moody’s Analytics predicted would kill jobs and worsen inflation.

Some economists are also concerned Trump’s plans to launch an immigration crackdown and unprecedented deportations will overheat the jobs market and boost consumer prices.

In the letter, the 16 Nobel economists expressed concern about the rule of law and stability if Trump wins the White House again.

“Among the most important determinants of economics success are the rule of law and economic and policy certainty,” the letter said. “Donald Trump and the vagaries of his action and policies threaten this stability and the US’s standing in the world.”

By contrast, the economists praised Biden’s work on the economy, arguing his major investments in infrastructure, manufacturing and climate will lower long-term inflationary pressure and ease the clean energy transition.

“While each of us has different views on the particulars of various economic policies,” the economists wrote in the letter, “we all agree that Joe Biden’s economic agenda is vastly superior to Donald Trump’s.”

In response, the Trump campaign blasted the economists and blamed Biden for high inflation.

“The American people don’t need worthless out of touch Nobel prize winners to tell them which president put more money in their pockets,” (never listen to experts)

Last week, Moody’s Analytics cautioned that if Republicans sweep into power in November, a toxic mix of higher tariffs, fewer immigrants and tax cut-fueled stimulus would cause inflation to reaccelerate, unemployment to climb above 5% and the US economy to stumble into a recession.

By contrast, Moody’s found that if Biden wins and there is a divided Congress, the Fed will start cutting interest rates, inflation will go back to normal and the US economy will avoid a recession.
 
fishonjazz said:

Inflation remains public enemy No. 1 in today’s economy. Americans are fed up with the cost of living and former President Donald Trump says he will help.

Yet 16 Nobel Prize-winning economists are warning that Trump’s proposals wouldn’t just fail to fix inflation — they would make matters worse.

In particular, the economists point to Trump’s “fiscally irresponsible budgets” and nonpartisan research from the likes of the Peterson Institute, Oxford Economics and Allianz that finds the Trump agenda — if successfully enacted — would increase inflation.

Trump approved $8.4 trillion of new 10-year borrowing during his term — nearly twice as much as President Joe Biden has so far in office, according to fiscal watchdog group the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

Not only does Trump want to extend his 2017 tax cuts — a move that the Congressional Budget Office warns would cost nearly $5 trillion — but the former president recently told CEOs during a closed-door meeting that he’d like to cut the corporate tax rate even further.

However, cutting taxes would risk accelerating an economy at a time when the Federal Reserve is working hard to slow it down to fight inflation.

“The outcome of this election will have economic repercussions for years, and possibly decades, to come,” the economists wrote in the letter. “We believe that a second Trump term would have a negative impact on the US’s economic standing in the world and a destabilizing effect on the US’s domestic economy.”

The Stiglitz-led letter did not directly mention Trump’s trade and immigration policies, but some mainstream economists warn they would be inflationary, too.

Trump has called for raising tariffs on China and all other trading partners — a move that Moody’s Analytics predicted would kill jobs and worsen inflation.

Some economists are also concerned Trump’s plans to launch an immigration crackdown and unprecedented deportations will overheat the jobs market and boost consumer prices.

In the letter, the 16 Nobel economists expressed concern about the rule of law and stability if Trump wins the White House again.

“Among the most important determinants of economics success are the rule of law and economic and policy certainty,” the letter said. “Donald Trump and the vagaries of his action and policies threaten this stability and the US’s standing in the world.”

By contrast, the economists praised Biden’s work on the economy, arguing his major investments in infrastructure, manufacturing and climate will lower long-term inflationary pressure and ease the clean energy transition.

“While each of us has different views on the particulars of various economic policies,” the economists wrote in the letter, “we all agree that Joe Biden’s economic agenda is vastly superior to Donald Trump’s.”

In response, the Trump campaign blasted the economists and blamed Biden for high inflation.

“The American people don’t need worthless out of touch Nobel prize winners to tell them which president put more money in their pockets,” (never listen to experts)

Last week, Moody’s Analytics cautioned that if Republicans sweep into power in November, a toxic mix of higher tariffs, fewer immigrants and tax cut-fueled stimulus would cause inflation to reaccelerate, unemployment to climb above 5% and the US economy to stumble into a recession.

By contrast, Moody’s found that if Biden wins and there is a divided Congress, the Fed will start cutting interest rates, inflation will go back to normal and the US economy will avoid a recession.
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Frankly the only way out of the mess we are in is to raise corporate taxes. Large corporations in general are experiencing record profits at the expense of inflation and cost explosion that is impacting mostly the middle and lower income households. We have steadily eroded the corporate tax rates over the past 50 years and not just coincidentally we have seen our deficit sky-rocket and now inflation is approaching rarified levels. The threat from the corporation is they will have to reduce wages to offset any tax increases, but that is an empty threat as wages have not kept pace with corporate profit to begin with and would most likely remain flat or increase at the same too-low rate regardless. But a cut of taxes at the lower levels combined with an increase in corporate taxes would ease the burden on the middle class. Time to make this a priority. Hell what do we expect, that within another 50 years the government will be paying big corporations a tax, at the rate we are cutting their tax rates, this might be the case down the road. Cut it to 0 then pay them for the privilege of building up the wage gap?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Frankly the only way out of the mess we are in is to raise corporate taxes. Large corporations in general are experiencing record profits at the expense of inflation and cost explosion that is impacting mostly the middle and lower income households. We have steadily eroded the corporate tax rates over the past 50 years and not just coincidentally we have seen our deficit sky-rocket and now inflation is approaching rarified levels. The threat from the corporation is they will have to reduce wages to offset any tax increases, but that is an empty threat as wages have not kept pace with corporate profit to begin with and would most likely remain flat or increase at the same too-low rate regardless. But a cut of taxes at the lower levels combined with an increase in corporate taxes would ease the burden on the middle class. Time to make this a priority. Hell what do we expect, that within another 50 years the government will be paying big corporations a tax, at the rate we are cutting their tax rates, this might be the case down the road. Cut it to 0 then pay them for the privilege of building up the wage gap?
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Yep.
We are all fighting against ourselves when we should be uniting against big corporations.

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LogGrad98 said:
Frankly the only way out of the mess we are in is to raise corporate taxes. Large corporations in general are experiencing record profits at the expense of inflation and cost explosion that is impacting mostly the middle and lower income households. We have steadily eroded the corporate tax rates over the past 50 years and not just coincidentally we have seen our deficit sky-rocket and now inflation is approaching rarified levels. The threat from the corporation is they will have to reduce wages to offset any tax increases, but that is an empty threat as wages have not kept pace with corporate profit to begin with and would most likely remain flat or increase at the same too-low rate regardless. But a cut of taxes at the lower levels combined with an increase in corporate taxes would ease the burden on the middle class. Time to make this a priority. Hell what do we expect, that within another 50 years the government will be paying big corporations a tax, at the rate we are cutting their tax rates, this might be the case down the road. Cut it to 0 then pay them for the privilege of building up the wage gap?
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So much this.
 
One funny thing to think about is that amazon had no layoffs during all the years they ran at a loss, at least on paper. And it isn't that far into the years they start posting a real profit that they also start going through layoffs. Funny, right? Oh but we need to remove corporate tax entirely or corporations will just lay everyone off and shut their doors! Such ********. I mean yeah, back in the 50's and 60's, when corporations paid the highest tax rate they had ever had they all just shut their doors right? Shut it down and lay everyone off. Well, no they didn't. It wasn't until the 70's and 80's when corporations when corporate tax rates started to be whittled down by the politicians vying for the rich man vote that we started seeing mass layoff. And as the tax rate fell further and further, layoffs became more and more common. But that can't be right, because now that tax rates are at thier lowest and profits among the highest we have ever seen...well so are mass layoffs. Weird right? But that cannot be right because huge profits at the expense of super-inflated predatory pricing and soaring national debt is what keeps us all safe in our little jobs, right? No? Huh, imagine that.

www.vox.com

When did mass layoffs become so normal?

A brief history of engineered job insecurity in America.
www.vox.com www.vox.com

But hey, they believe in their Orange God-King and Cult Leader, why not literally anything any economist paid by big corporations wants to publish.


Please note, I am not saying that lower corporate tax rates drives layoff, I am just pointing out that rising profits at all costs, aided by a steep drop in corporate tax rates, does not make anyone's job safer, except maybe the CEO, who earns record income today vs what they made in the 50's and 60's. American corporations are about enriching the already rich at the expense of the lowest paid workers. not about supporting them or providing them any kind of security at all. That is all smoke and mirrors so we won't look behind the curtain and realize that enriching a few politicians is not worth the pool of human excrement we have created in our national debt and job insecurity and inflation that drives these corporate profits higher and higher at the expense largely of the middle of the road consumer.
 
The Thriller said:
Is there a way for @Jason to tell how many of these alt accounts are the same person? What’s the most you’ve ever seen Jason? And have any of them surprised you? I’m just curious. Like 3 alt accounts? 5? 10? I’d lose track of which email went with what account and what type of personality I was supposed to have with which account. Just amazing how much effort goes into trying to get attention on the internet. Imagine if that same effort were put into doing something constructive in real life.

I know in the Carlos arroyo Raul Lopez era I once created an alt account. I was still in high school. Jason called me out. I used it to try and promote Carlos as 2003-2005, that seemed to be a huge debate for the team. And Jason called me out on it. lol. Never had another alt since.
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Eh, there are plenty that people go to lengths to hide. Not sure what most would be but if you're not good at masking them, people (LIKE YOU) usually stop once identified :)
 
fishonjazz said:
Yep.
We are all fighting against ourselves when we should be uniting against big corporations.

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fish actually saying something that makes sense!!
Although I’m not sure how he can say this and turn around and support all the wars and buy all the obvious stupid cultural divisions surrounding trump, and vaccines, and abortion, and DEI and the moron “ugly Hollywood” politicians without skepticism.
 
LogGrad98 said:
One funny thing to think about is that amazon had no layoffs during all the years they ran at a loss, at least on paper. And it isn't that far into the years they start posting a real profit that they also start going through layoffs. Funny, right? Oh but we need to remove corporate tax entirely or corporations will just lay everyone off and shut their doors! Such ********. I mean yeah, back in the 50's and 60's, when corporations paid the highest tax rate they had ever had they all just shut their doors right? Shut it down and lay everyone off. Well, no they didn't. It wasn't until the 70's and 80's when corporations when corporate tax rates started to be whittled down by the politicians vying for the rich man vote that we started seeing mass layoff. And as the tax rate fell further and further, layoffs became more and more common. But that can't be right, because now that tax rates are at thier lowest and profits among the highest we have ever seen...well so are mass layoffs. Weird right? But that cannot be right because huge profits at the expense of super-inflated predatory pricing and soaring national debt is what keeps us all safe in our little jobs, right? No? Huh, imagine that.

www.vox.com

When did mass layoffs become so normal?

A brief history of engineered job insecurity in America.
www.vox.com www.vox.com

But hey, they believe in their Orange God-King and Cult Leader, why not literally anything any economist paid by big corporations wants to publish.


Please note, I am not saying that lower corporate tax rates drives layoff, I am just pointing out that rising profits at all costs, aided by a steep drop in corporate tax rates, does not make anyone's job safer, except maybe the CEO, who earns record income today vs what they made in the 50's and 60's. American corporations are about enriching the already rich at the expense of the lowest paid workers. not about supporting them or providing them any kind of security at all. That is all smoke and mirrors so we won't look behind the curtain and realize that enriching a few politicians is not worth the pool of human excrement we have created in our national debt and job insecurity and inflation that drives these corporate profits higher and higher at the expense largely of the middle of the road consumer.
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But bro, corporations are people and have feelings. /s

After 50 years trickle down hasn’t trickled **** to the lower and lower-middle classes. Couple that with Citizens United and now we have our own set of oligarch’s. It boggles my mind that MAGA can’t connect these simple dots, but Mike Lindell found voter fraud and Obama’s a muslim.

Keep yelling at us that “the system is rigged” and “government is corrupt” when it’s your candidates, who lied and waft farts to your face, who are the ones who sold us all out.

Liberals didn’t promise to bring back your jobs and save your dying industries, conservatives did. They lied to you, sent your kids to the Middle East, and are the reason you’re so angry. Stop complaining to us, we’re not the problem. We’re waiting for you to wake the **** up, stop the corporate boot licking and get in the game.


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BabyPeterzz said:
But bro, corporations are people and have feelings. /s

After 50 years tickle down hasn’t trickled **** to the lower and lower-middle classes. Couple that with Citizens United and now we have our own set of oligarch’s. It boggles my mind that MAGA can’t connect these simple dots, but Mike Lindell found voter fraud and Obama’s a muslim.

Keep yelling at us that “the system is rigged” and “government is corrupt” when it’s your candidates, who lied and waft farts to your face, who are the ones who sold us all out.

Liberals didn’t promise to bring back your jobs and save your dying industries, conservatives did. They lied to you, sent your kids to the Middle East, and are the reason you’re so angry. Stop complaining to us, we’re not the problem. We’re waiting for you to wake the **** up, stop the corporate boot licking and get in game.


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And comin in hot, those Trump justice’s are now on sale! Now our taxes can be used to buy off politicians. Cool “republic”, republicans.

www.latimes.com

Supreme Court wipes out anticorruption law that bars officials from taking gifts for past favors

The U.S. Supreme Court rules state and local officials may take gifts and payments for steering contracts to grateful patrons.
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Mongoose said:
fish actually saying something that makes sense!!
Although I’m not sure how he can say this and turn around and support all the wars and buy all the obvious stupid cultural divisions surrounding trump, and vaccines, and abortion, and DEI and the moron “ugly Hollywood” politicians without skepticism.
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Huh?
I hate trump. Hated him prior to him becoming a Republican or a politician. He is a big corporation.
That's basically my politics right there. I don't support any wars. I think culture wars are so stupid and don't participate. I don't know what DEI even is or means. I got a recent tetanus vaccine (rusty barbwire got me while fishing) I guess that means something significant to you for some reason? I dont really care about abortion. My wife and I won't be pregnant ever again. If we were to be pregnant then I think we should be able to make decisions for ourselves. Do I support ugly Hollywood politicians without skepticism? I have no idea what that means.

A swing and a miss from your crazy ***

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BabyPeterzz said:
Yes, FORTUNE ****ING MAGAZINE is a great source for this topic. You’re trolling is either epic or dense….
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Log doesn’t have faculties to know he’s repeating corporate propaganda that’s been spoon fed to him, but you are anti enough that I suspect that you might be able to see the strings.

The really big corporations don’t care about the tax rates because they offshore profits. Twelve percent of zero, and fifty percent of zero are the same number. Tell me I’m lying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/world/apple-taxes-jersey.html

Our system is not a level playing field. Raising the tax rates doesn’t do anything to the big fish but it hurts the medium and small businesses that don’t have the ability to walk the same path. Raising tax rates doesn’t hurt the big fish, but it hurts the big fish’s competition which makes the big fish even bigger. Tell me I’m lying. Tell me the playing field is level and raises in tax rates impact all corporations the same.
 
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