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Red
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Encouraging. And for that reason, Trump will attack this.
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“Unlimited Geothermal Energy Is Real”: Ultra-Deep Fracturing Breakthrough Promises Infinite Clean Power, Scientists Confirm - Sustainability Times
IN A NUTSHELL Recent advancements by the EPFL could transform geothermal energy into a sustainable global power source. Researchers demonstrated the ability to fracture ductile rocks at supercritical depths, allowing water circulation. Companies like Quaise Energy are exploring innovative...
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- Recent advancements by the EPFL could transform geothermal energy into a sustainable global power source.
- Researchers demonstrated the ability to fracture ductile rocks at supercritical depths, allowing water circulation.
- Companies like Quaise Energy are exploring innovative drilling technologies using particle accelerators.
- The potential for large-scale geothermal exploitation may revolutionize the global energy landscape.
Advanced geothermal is cool. I think it’s promising because it solves the issues around low carbon baseload.Encouraging. And for that reason, Trump will attack this.
“Unlimited Geothermal Energy Is Real”: Ultra-Deep Fracturing Breakthrough Promises Infinite Clean Power, Scientists Confirm - Sustainability Times
IN A NUTSHELL Recent advancements by the EPFL could transform geothermal energy into a sustainable global power source. Researchers demonstrated the ability to fracture ductile rocks at supercritical depths, allowing water circulation. Companies like Quaise Energy are exploring innovative...
IN A NUTSHELL
- Recent advancements by the EPFL could transform geothermal energy into a sustainable global power source.
- Researchers demonstrated the ability to fracture ductile rocks at supercritical depths, allowing water circulation.
- Companies like Quaise Energy are exploring innovative drilling technologies using particle accelerators.
- The potential for large-scale geothermal exploitation may revolutionize the global energy landscape.
The limitations are twofold: it is limited to locations with sufficient thermal gradient (the west), it only produces electricity.
From a technical standpoint, open questions remain. They still need to bring costs down (they will), they also need to solve well spacing, and how much fluid and proppant is required to to stimulate the wells. These are the same questions that plagued the oil industry while they incinerated capital figuring out how to make shale profitable. It’s not an easy question, took oil and gas 13 years.
Red
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“Online bots and trolls hugely amplify false narratives, the researchers say, playing a key role in promoting climate lies”. Where have I seen that happen? Lol….
www.theguardian.com
Rampant climate misinformation is turning the crisis into a catastrophe, according to the authors of a new report.
It found climate action was being obstructed and delayed by false and misleading information stemming from fossil fuel companies, rightwing politicians and some nation states. The report, from the International Panel on the Information Environment (Ipie), systematically reviewed 300 studies.
The researchers found climate denialism has evolved into campaigns focused on discrediting solutions, such as the false claims that renewable energy caused the recent massive blackout in Spain.
Online bots and trolls hugely amplify false narratives, the researchers say, playing a key role in promoting climate lies. The experts also report that political leaders, civil servants and regulatory agencies are increasingly being targeted in order to delay climate action.
Climate misinformation – the term used by the report for both deliberate and inadvertent falsehoods – is of increasing concern. Last Thursday, the UN special rapporteur on human rights and climate change, Elisa Morgera, called for misinformation and greenwashing by the fossil fuel industry to be criminalised. On Saturday, Brazil, host of the upcoming Cop30 climate summit, will rally nations behind a separate UN initiative to crack down on climate misinformation.
“It is a major problem,” said Dr Klaus Jensen, of the University of Copenhagen, who co-led the Ipie review. “If we don’t have the right information available, how are we going to vote for the right causes and politicians, and how are politicians going to translate the clear evidence into the necessary action? Unfortunately, I think the [bad actors] are still very, very active, and probably have the upper hand now.”
Jensen added: “We have about five years to cut emissions in half and until 2050 to go carbon neutral. Without the right information, we’re not going to get there. So the climate crisis being translated into a climate catastrophe is possible, unless we handle the climate information integrity problem.”
Morgera said in her report last week that countries must “defossilise” information systems, after decades of misinformation from the powerful fossil fuel industry.
She said states should “criminalise misinformation and misrepresentation (greenwashing) by the fossil fuel industry” and “criminalise media and advertising firms for amplifying disinformation and misinformation by fossil fuel companies”. The UN secretary general, António Guterres, called in June 2024 for a ban on advertising by fossil fuel companies, calling the firms the “godfathers of climate chaos”
The report:
www.ipie.info
Climate misinformation turning crisis into catastrophe – major report
False claims obstructing climate action, say researchers, amid calls for climate lies to be criminalised
www.theguardian.com
Rampant climate misinformation is turning the crisis into a catastrophe, according to the authors of a new report.
It found climate action was being obstructed and delayed by false and misleading information stemming from fossil fuel companies, rightwing politicians and some nation states. The report, from the International Panel on the Information Environment (Ipie), systematically reviewed 300 studies.
The researchers found climate denialism has evolved into campaigns focused on discrediting solutions, such as the false claims that renewable energy caused the recent massive blackout in Spain.
Online bots and trolls hugely amplify false narratives, the researchers say, playing a key role in promoting climate lies. The experts also report that political leaders, civil servants and regulatory agencies are increasingly being targeted in order to delay climate action.
Climate misinformation – the term used by the report for both deliberate and inadvertent falsehoods – is of increasing concern. Last Thursday, the UN special rapporteur on human rights and climate change, Elisa Morgera, called for misinformation and greenwashing by the fossil fuel industry to be criminalised. On Saturday, Brazil, host of the upcoming Cop30 climate summit, will rally nations behind a separate UN initiative to crack down on climate misinformation.
“It is a major problem,” said Dr Klaus Jensen, of the University of Copenhagen, who co-led the Ipie review. “If we don’t have the right information available, how are we going to vote for the right causes and politicians, and how are politicians going to translate the clear evidence into the necessary action? Unfortunately, I think the [bad actors] are still very, very active, and probably have the upper hand now.”
Jensen added: “We have about five years to cut emissions in half and until 2050 to go carbon neutral. Without the right information, we’re not going to get there. So the climate crisis being translated into a climate catastrophe is possible, unless we handle the climate information integrity problem.”
Morgera said in her report last week that countries must “defossilise” information systems, after decades of misinformation from the powerful fossil fuel industry.
She said states should “criminalise misinformation and misrepresentation (greenwashing) by the fossil fuel industry” and “criminalise media and advertising firms for amplifying disinformation and misinformation by fossil fuel companies”. The UN secretary general, António Guterres, called in June 2024 for a ban on advertising by fossil fuel companies, calling the firms the “godfathers of climate chaos”
The report:
Information Integrity about Climate Science: A Systematic Review
Synthesis Report - Information Integrity about Climate Science: A Systematic Review
www.ipie.info
Red
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PJF has posted in this thread in support of the geoengineering conspiracy theory, which has emerged in recent years, where it has merged with the chemtrails conspiracy theory, which dates to the 1990’s, where it was a popular subject on late night Art Bell. I remember it at the time. It has really grown. His post also offers support that chemtrails are the REAL human caused climate change. I’m not going to say lol, I had friends who got into this, in the earlier chemtrails craze. (Oh, OK, one lol)
Understanding AI makes mistakes, from what I understand myself, this summary is solid:
Here’s a New York Times look see from last year…
Conspiracy Theorists and Vaccine Skeptics Have a New Target: Geoengineering:
No surprise the genius of the Trump brain trust is into it:
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Good study:
Solar Geoengineering and the Chemtrails Conspiracy on Social Media:
ABSTRACT: Discourse on social media of solar geoengineering has been rapidly increasing over the past decade, in line with increased attention by the scientific community and low but increasing awareness among the general public. The topic has also found increased attention online. But unlike scientific discourse, a majority of online discussion focuses on the so-called conspiracy theory, the widely debunked idea that airplanes are spraying a toxic mix of chemicals through contrails, with supposed goals ranging from weather to mind control. This paper presents the results of a nationally representative 1000-subject poll part of the 36,000-subject 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES), and an ana-lysis of the universe of social media mentions of geoengineering. The former shows ~ 10% of Americans declaring the chemtrails conspiracy as“completely” and a further ~ 20–30% as “somewhat” true, with no apparent difference by party affiliation or strength of partisanship. Conspiratorial views have accounted for ~ 60% of geoengineering discourse on social media over the past decade. Of that, Twitter has accounted for >90%, compared to ~ 75% of total Geoengineering mentions. Further affinity analysis reveals a broad online community of conspiracy. Anonymity of social media appears to help its spread, so does the general ease of spreading unverified or outright false information. Online behavior has important real-world reverberations, with implications for climate science communication and policy.
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These conspiracy beliefs have influenced legislation:
Understanding AI makes mistakes, from what I understand myself, this summary is solid:
Here’s a New York Times look see from last year…
Conspiracy Theorists and Vaccine Skeptics Have a New Target: Geoengineering:
No surprise the genius of the Trump brain trust is into it:
Chemtrail conspiracy theories: why RFK Jr is watching the skies
Belief in a supposed US government plot linked to aircraft condensation trails has been boosted by confusion over proposals to geoengineer a response to the climate crisis
www.theguardian.com
Good study:
Solar Geoengineering and the Chemtrails Conspiracy on Social Media:
ABSTRACT: Discourse on social media of solar geoengineering has been rapidly increasing over the past decade, in line with increased attention by the scientific community and low but increasing awareness among the general public. The topic has also found increased attention online. But unlike scientific discourse, a majority of online discussion focuses on the so-called conspiracy theory, the widely debunked idea that airplanes are spraying a toxic mix of chemicals through contrails, with supposed goals ranging from weather to mind control. This paper presents the results of a nationally representative 1000-subject poll part of the 36,000-subject 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES), and an ana-lysis of the universe of social media mentions of geoengineering. The former shows ~ 10% of Americans declaring the chemtrails conspiracy as“completely” and a further ~ 20–30% as “somewhat” true, with no apparent difference by party affiliation or strength of partisanship. Conspiratorial views have accounted for ~ 60% of geoengineering discourse on social media over the past decade. Of that, Twitter has accounted for >90%, compared to ~ 75% of total Geoengineering mentions. Further affinity analysis reveals a broad online community of conspiracy. Anonymity of social media appears to help its spread, so does the general ease of spreading unverified or outright false information. Online behavior has important real-world reverberations, with implications for climate science communication and policy.
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These conspiracy beliefs have influenced legislation:
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PJF
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Seriously, open your eyes. Just look at the sky. Utah news stations have done several stories on how proud Utah is of their geoengineering.PJF has posted in this thread in support of the geoengineering conspiracy theory, which has emerged in recent years, where it has merged with the chemtrails conspiracy theory, which dates to the 1990’s, where it was a popular subject on late night Art Bell. I remember it at the time. It has really grown. His post also offers support that chemtrails are the REAL human caused climate change. I’m not going to say lol, I had friends who got into this, in the earlier chemtrails craze. (Oh, OK, one lol)
Understanding AI makes mistakes, from what I understand myself, this summary is solid:
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Here’s a New York Times look see from last year…
Conspiracy Theorists and Vaccine Skeptics Have a New Target: Geoengineering:
No surprise the genius of the Trump brain trust is into it:
Chemtrail conspiracy theories: why RFK Jr is watching the skies
Belief in a supposed US government plot linked to aircraft condensation trails has been boosted by confusion over proposals to geoengineer a response to the climate crisis
It is the reality at the heart of climate change there will have to be changes in consumption in the west, generally around the consumption of protein which is hugely water intensive.
Agreed. Half of the population on earth is supported by the fertilizer used to grow food that was created by the haber bosch process which is reliant on enormous amounts of natural gas.
My real worry is that we've left it too late, last summer here was absolutely scorching, this winter has been freezing, high pressure and low pressure systems that would blow over in 3 or 4 days now linger for a week or two at a time. Its still fairly early in our winter (August is traditionally the coldest month) but we are regularly having nights below 2 degrees in the city. Last summer we would have weeks of 35 degree plus days without relief, this is unheard of, the extremes in weather are a real worry.
I tend to agree but the economic engine roars on. Climate change and the use of fossil fuels has not caused more economic detriment than it creates. Our entire society is girded up by fossil fuels. We will continue to use them until something cheaper comes along or the negative externalities outweigh the positive ones.
Red
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Texas floods reveal limitations of disaster forecasting under climate crisis
Texas’s ‘flash flood alley’ could bring even more floods in near future as Trump cuts compound with warming climate
www.theguardian.com
Though it’s unclear to what extent staffing shortages across the NWS complicated the advance notice that local officials had of an impending flooding disaster, it’s clear that this was a complex, compound tragedy of a type that climate warming is making more frequent.
Rainfall intensity in central Texas has been trending upward for decades, and this week’s rains were enhanced by the remnants of Tropical Storm Barry, which made landfall in northern Mexico last week. Barry’s circulation pulled record amounts of atmospheric moisture up to central Texas from the near-record warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico.
The mix of Barry’s circulation and climate warming helped create conditions of record-high atmospheric moisture content over central Texas – in line with the trend towards increasing atmospheric moisture content globally as the world warms and the air can hold more water vapor.
Our particular problem is power of the coal and gas industry locally, well the mining cartel in general. We're at the point here where renewables are cheaper than fossil fuels, the big issue is the export incomes the mining cartels make from exporting this ****. The Australian people mind you get bugger all of this revenue, its not like its filling the treasuries coffers. Its just the power the mining Barons have, its staggering
Renewables are great for electricity and capacity has exploded. Honestly so much so that I think subsidies should be directed to storage in order to solve the intermittency problem. Until intermittency is resolved, fossil fuels are going to be used in droves to stabilize the grid. Especially if nuclear remains sidelined.