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@PJF: “Seriously, open your eyes. Just look at the sky. Utah news stations have done several stories on how proud Utah is of their geoengineering”

I don’t live in Utah. I don’t subscribe to the chemtrail conspiracy theory. I’m too rational.
Things like cloud seeding are one thing. Chemtrails are for folks who resist using critical thinking, and are persuaded by conspiracy beliefs.
That’s my opinion. After all, it started in the 1990’s as a belief that chemtrails were a form of covert population control. In other words, the Deep State was using them to kill people. I can’t be surprised that it’s now part of the more elaborate Deep State conspiracies in the first quarter of the 21st century. Hey, you’re not alone in subscribing to that conspiracy belief, it just seems like there is a great proliferation of such irrational beliefs in our Age of Disinformation, if I could call our age by such a descriptor.


  • CLAIM: The government is engaging in activities like cloud seeding to modify the weather.
  • FACT: NOAA does not fund or participate in cloud seeding or other weather modification projects. Cloud seeding is the only common weather modification activity currently practiced in the United States — typically by private companies in western mountain basins in winter in order to help generate snow in specific locations, or in the desert southwest to replenish water reservoirs in summer. The method has been used for decades in an effort to increase stored water in snowpack that melts in the spring to maintain adequate water supply.

    Decades ago, between 1962 and 1982, NOAA provided support for research into whether hurricane intensity could be modified, known as Project STORMFURY. The research was not successful in modifying hurricanes and STORMFURY was discontinued. NOAA has not attempted to modify hurricane intensity and participate in cloud seeding since. For more information on this project, visit this NOAA Atlantic Oceanographic & Meteorological Laboratory website.
 
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This is crazier than chemtrails!




View: https://x.com/KandissTaylor/status/1941487780963746135



A MAGA congressional candidate is facing backlash after spreading conspiracy theories about the deadly flash floods in Texas and calling them “fake”.

Kandiss Taylor, who is running to represent Georgia in the House of Representatives, posted on X Saturday: “Fake weather. Fake hurricanes. Fake flooding. Fake. Fake. Fake.” Her bizarre post came as authorities searched for dozens of people who lost their lives in Texas’ flash floods. Of the 30 people confirmed dead so far, at least nine were children.
 
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Red said:
This is crazier than chemtrails!




View: https://x.com/KandissTaylor/status/1941487780963746135



A MAGA congressional candidate is facing backlash after spreading conspiracy theories about the deadly flash floods in Texas and calling them “fake”.

Kandiss Taylor, who is running to represent Georgia in the House of Representatives, posted on X Saturday: “Fake weather. Fake hurricanes. Fake flooding. Fake. Fake. Fake.” Her bizarre post came as authorities searched for dozens of people who lost their lives in Texas’ flash floods. Of the 30 people confirmed dead so far, at least nine were children.
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The way that name is spelled it's gotta be a Utah Mormon, right? Kandiss? But of course she's from Georgia. She's actually a worse "Karen" than her name's spelling would imply. Ugh.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The way that name is spelled it's gotta be a Utah Mormon, right? Kandiss? But of course she's from Georgia. She's actually a worse "Karen" than her name's spelling would imply. Ugh.
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Saw this one the other day, Traughedeigh pronounced tragedy, as a ****ing name. I mean it was just some **** I saw on the internet so I can hope that maybe it's not real.
 
Awful news out of Texas. I can’t imagine what those poor parents are dealing with right now. You spend years staying up late to feed, soothe, and care for a child. And then see it all wiped away in a blink of an eye. I hope the leaders in Texas use this to invest in better warning systems. Sounds like this was discussed previously but the state decided it was too expensive. So hopefully some good can come from this tragedy so families don’t have to go through this again. But if Uvalde is any indication, the leadership will just wait a week or two for this to pass and then carry on with business as usual; trolling liberals while enriching their friends and families.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The way that name is spelled it's gotta be an Utah Mormon, right? Kandiss? But of course she's from Georgia. She's actually a worse "Karen" than her name's spelling would imply. Ugh.
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Why is everything fake? Is this what happens when your entire movement is based on an alternative reality?

Vaccines don’t work
Trump doesn’t suck and he won in 2020
Sandy Hook didn’t happen
Hurricanes, floods, climate change all are fake

Like… this would make George orwell’s head spin
 
The Texas floods are the type of extreme weather event predicted to increase in frequency due to continued global warming. So, the Trump administration, being as destructive to our institutions as they are, are working to make Americans less prepared for such events….


Kerr County, Texas, wasn’t prepared for the deluge that killed more than 100 people this weekend, despite more than a century and a half of flash flooding along the Guadalupe River.

Other communities around the country may find themselves just as exposed for the next catastrophe, emergency managers and scientists warned — pointing to the soaring toll of climate change and the Trump administration’s steep cuts to weather and disaster spending.

Those cuts may not have played a direct role in the death toll from the central Texas floods, a point the White House argued strenuously Monday while maintaining that “the National Weather Service did its job” in predicting the rising waters. Meteorologists and climate scientists also praised NWS for its accurate, timely forecasts.

But the weather service and its parent organization are reeling from mass layoffs and early retirements pushed by President Donald Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency, and the sprawling tax bill that he signed last weekcanceled more than $200 million in spending that was supposed to improve weather forecasting and make communities more resilient to disasters.

Federal grants to help communities afford flood warning systems are also drying up after the Trump administration halted two main programs that once funded such work. And the White House acknowledged Monday that it’s still weighing the fate of the nation’s premier disaster responder, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, more than five months after Trump said that “I think we’re going to recommend that FEMA go away.”

Even without final answers about the cause of the Texas death toll, one longtime emergency manager said one fact is clear: “That many people did not need to die,” said Michael Coen, who served as FEMA’s chief of staff during the Biden and Obama administrations. He said Kerr County should have invested in better flood defenses or, at the very least, relocated camping cabins away from the river.

The gutting of the national infrastructure around weather emergencies comes at the same time that climate change is making severe disasters more common and more dangerous, according to studies and past warnings from the U.S. government – including during the first Trump administration.

“The frequency and the severity associated with these types of events all across the country have been substantiated over and over again,” said David Maurstad, who ran FEMA’s National Flood Insurance Program before leaving the agency last year. “I don’t know how anybody can ignore that”.
 
Red said:
This is crazier than chemtrails!




View: https://x.com/KandissTaylor/status/1941487780963746135



A MAGA congressional candidate is facing backlash after spreading conspiracy theories about the deadly flash floods in Texas and calling them “fake”.

Kandiss Taylor, who is running to represent Georgia in the House of Representatives, posted on X Saturday: “Fake weather. Fake hurricanes. Fake flooding. Fake. Fake. Fake.” Her bizarre post came as authorities searched for dozens of people who lost their lives in Texas’ flash floods. Of the 30 people confirmed dead so far, at least nine were children.
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I mean if you are going to say that kind of trash then name names. Who is it that is controlling the weather? And don't just say "the left" or "the Democrats". Give me actual names. Tell me how and why they caused the flooding.
And, ya know, some evidence would be nice to go along with the accusations
 
fishonjazz said:
I mean if you are going to say that kind of trash then name names. Who is it that is controlling the weather? And don't just say "the left" or "the Democrats". Give me actual names. Tell me how and why they caused the flooding.
And, ya know, some evidence would be nice to go along with the accusations
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Evidence?

Dear leader is disappointed in your loyalty. What more evidence do you need?
 
It’s certainly no longer a surprise how conspiracism has become almost a default mode of thinking for many Americans…when facts and fantasies share equal billing, this is one result:




And now, last night’s flash floods in New Mexico:







I love this guy’s homespun speaking style, but he is into some off the wall ideas, the cloud seeding conspiracy being one….

 
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(It’s on Facebook, so here is the post):


Hi. It’s me again. Let’s talk about cloud seeding.

We’re all hurting over here in Texas after these floods. Children are still among the missing. The death toll is now over 100. We’re in various stages of grief and still trying to make sense of what just happened as we grapple with the reality that this flood has permanently altered the trajectory of so many family histories.

So why am I bringing up cloud seeding? Because I’ve seen the same viral videos and posts you have seen claiming that cloud seeding is responsible for the floods in the Texas Hill Country, and it’s inserting confusion and questions into a grieving community that really needs to be focused on other things at this time. Scientific voices in the meteorology community are needed right now to help put these claims to rest, so I will again lend my voice to help answer some of your questions and hopefully clear up some confusion.

What is cloud seeding?

Cloud seeding is a type of weather modification that involves injecting a few grams of a chemical (usually silver iodide) into an existing cloud to “seed” the formation of larger water droplets or ice crystals that will then cause the cloud to precipitate slightly more than it would have if left alone. We’ve been doing it in America since the 1940s, and the physics behind it is pretty simple.

How does it work?

Clouds are composed of tiny water droplets or ice crystals called hydrometeors (and that my friends, is where the word “METEORology” comes from!) that need even smaller microscopic particles called “cloud condensation nuclei” to form. These are things like specks of dust, salt, and smoke. When they are present in a moist airmass, that moisture can condense around those particles to create water droplets. Most clouds don’t rain or snow because the water droplets or ice crystals remain too small for gravity to pull them down to the earth. The silver iodide particles injected into clouds are significantly larger “cloud condensation nuclei” that happen to be really good at creating larger droplets or ice crystals that can fall to the ground.

What is the purpose of cloud seeding operations?

Generally these are designed to help enhance rainfall or snowpack in arid regions of the country that do not have dependable rainfall and are subject to droughts.

Is cloud seeding regulated?

Yes, there are both federal regulations and state regulations. It is not done in secret. You can read about federal regulations here https://library.noaa.gov/weather-climate/weather-modification-project-reports and you can read about Texas regulations here https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/weather/

Were cloud seeding operations conducted on the storms that produced the Texas floods?

No. In fact, Texas regulations prohibit cloud seeding on storms that could produce severe weather, tornadoes, or flash floods. One of the companies singled out on social media for cloud seeding conducted its last operation on Wednesday, July 2nd.

Could the cloud seeding conducted two days before the floods have created or impacted the storms on July 4th?

No. Only an existing cloud can be seeded, and once that cloud has been seeded, it rains itself out. Furthermore, the cloud seeding took place southeast of San Antonio, roughly 150 miles away from Kerr County.

Does cloud seeding create stronger “super storms” or lead to less rainfall elsewhere?

The science and observations say no. According to the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation website, “There is no evidence that the seeding contributes to less rainfall anywhere else. What is more, there is no evidence that seeding causes clouds to grow substantially taller and produce unwanted effects (such as damaging winds, hail, and flash floods). To the contrary, the available evidence from over eight years of research in West Texas suggests cloud seeding, when done timely and accurately, contributes to more gentle, widespread, and longer-lasting rains.”

The TDLR FAQ section on cloud seeding is an excellent resource, and I highly recommend you read it if you would like explore this topic more: https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/weather/weatherfaq.htm

I also once again recommend watching this exceptional video primer from my weather friend ABC News Chief Meteorologist Ginger Zee: https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/video/116008822

Even though cloud seeding was not responsible for the Hill Country floods, I know there are moral and ethical concerns when it comes to modifying the weather (or any natural Earth system), however small those modifications may be, and the topic is worth more public discourse and scrutiny.

At the end of the day, this flood was caused by the remnants of two tropical weather systems that cannot be created nor controlled by mankind, despite claims to the contrary. I mean, look at this rainfall map. That's a year's worth of rain in some communities that fell in 5 days over a geographic area bigger than many states in our country. Does it make sense to you that dropping a few grams of silver iodide into a cloud 150 miles away from the hardest hit communities two days before the flood even occurred could have caused this?

It’s been said before that extraordinary claims you encounter can be true, but you should demand extraordinary evidence to back them up.

If you made it this far, congratulations. I hope it helped. Now let's focus on what really matters: Helping the grieving families and communities in their time of need.

Here are some ways you can help: https://abc13.com/17000575/
 
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A new rule on Homeland Security spending rolled out by Secretary Kristi Noem hobbled the federal emergency agency’s response to the devastating Texas floods, according to a new report.

Four officials at the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which falls under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security, told CNN that a newly introduced requirement for Noem’s signature on any contract and grant over $100,000 delayed their response to the flooding in Texas, where 120 people have died and a further 150 are missing.

“We were operating under a clear set of guidance: lean forward, be prepared, anticipate what the state needs, and be ready to deliver it,” a longtime FEMA official told the news outlet. “That is not as clear of an intent for us at the moment.”

CNN reported that FEMA was unable to move Urban Search and Rescue crews into position when waters started rising on Friday because it needed Noem’s signature, which did not come until Monday.

Texas also requested aerial imagery from FEMA to bolster search and rescue operations, but that was similarly delayed because Noem’s approval was needed for the contract, a source told CNN.

Callers to FEMA’s disaster call center have also been forced to wait longer for a response since Noem’s signature was needed to bring in additional staff, CNN reported.

Multiple FEMA officials told the network that acting FEMA Administrator David Richardson has been given little authority by Noem.

Last month, CNN obtained a memo indicating that all Homeland Security contracts and grants over $100,000 must first be approved by Noem before the funds are released. The memo stated that funding requests must include details such as the mission’s impact, dollar amounts, timeliness issues, descriptions of the supplies or services, and a plan of action.

Homeland Security spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin told CNN, “FEMA is shifting from bloated, DC-centric dead weight to a lean, deployable disaster force that empowers state actors to provide relief for their citizens.”

“The old processes are being replaced because they failed Americans in real emergencies for decades,” she said.

Former FEMA Director Deanne Criswell told The Source with Kaitlan Collins that the new rule could have cost lives.

“What happened, I think, here, is that we couldn’t move, or FEMA couldn’t move those resources in like they normally would, to be on the ground ready once they found out how bad the situation was,” she said. “And you lose time, and that’s time that can cost lives in the end. And so it’s really important for emergency managers to always be proactive and thinking ahead and getting resources in place.”
 
Red said:

A new rule on Homeland Security spending rolled out by Secretary Kristi Noem hobbled the federal emergency agency’s response to the devastating Texas floods, according to a new report.

Four officials at the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which falls under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security, told CNN that a newly introduced requirement for Noem’s signature on any contract and grant over $100,000 delayed their response to the flooding in Texas, where 120 people have died and a further 150 are missing.

“We were operating under a clear set of guidance: lean forward, be prepared, anticipate what the state needs, and be ready to deliver it,” a longtime FEMA official told the news outlet. “That is not as clear of an intent for us at the moment.”

CNN reported that FEMA was unable to move Urban Search and Rescue crews into position when waters started rising on Friday because it needed Noem’s signature, which did not come until Monday.

Texas also requested aerial imagery from FEMA to bolster search and rescue operations, but that was similarly delayed because Noem’s approval was needed for the contract, a source told CNN.

Callers to FEMA’s disaster call center have also been forced to wait longer for a response since Noem’s signature was needed to bring in additional staff, CNN reported.

Multiple FEMA officials told the network that acting FEMA Administrator David Richardson has been given little authority by Noem.

Last month, CNN obtained a memo indicating that all Homeland Security contracts and grants over $100,000 must first be approved by Noem before the funds are released. The memo stated that funding requests must include details such as the mission’s impact, dollar amounts, timeliness issues, descriptions of the supplies or services, and a plan of action.

Homeland Security spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin told CNN, “FEMA is shifting from bloated, DC-centric dead weight to a lean, deployable disaster force that empowers state actors to provide relief for their citizens.”

“The old processes are being replaced because they failed Americans in real emergencies for decades,” she said.

Former FEMA Director Deanne Criswell told The Source with Kaitlan Collins that the new rule could have cost lives.

“What happened, I think, here, is that we couldn’t move, or FEMA couldn’t move those resources in like they normally would, to be on the ground ready once they found out how bad the situation was,” she said. “And you lose time, and that’s time that can cost lives in the end. And so it’s really important for emergency managers to always be proactive and thinking ahead and getting resources in place.”
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FEMA couldn't be sent to help until Kristi Noem received her new search and rescue costume from Amazon. That was the reason for the delay.
 
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