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The Heat have officially blown it.

vslice02 said:
Dallas also thought long and hard about acquiring Al Jefferson but decided to pass on the "scorer" instead for the defense/toughness of Haywood. If you're going to make tons of moves - they have to make sense and Dallas gradually figured out how to build a championship team instead of a fantasy team.
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The reason why they didn't get AL was KOC, not the fact they decided to pass on him. AJ was their #1 choice, but KOC made a better offer to the Wolves.
 
Borat said:
The reason why they didn't get AL was KOC, not the fact they decided to pass on him. AJ was their #1 choice, but KOC made a better offer to the Wolves.
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More likely Dallas, which is stocked with talent, wasn’t willing to give up what it would’ve taken to get Jefferson. The Jazz basically got Jefferson for not much but mainly salary relief for Minny. A black hole on offense, so-so on defense big like Jefferson would’ve been a bad fit for a team with Dirk on it anyway or quite a few other teams for that matter.
 
The Thriller said:
No one is talking about it...

But Rick Carlisle is a heck of a coach.

While the media is slurping Dirkmania, everyone is forgetting about Rick. He brought a toughness to the team that lacked in Nellie. Yet, he made adjustments and was creative enough to maintain the team's dynamic approach. He adjusted strategies and changed his lineup. Injecting Barea into the starting 5 was brilliant. Using the Custodian when Haywood went down was fantastic. And sitting Peja's veteran butt was something that as Jazz fans, we could only dream our coaching staff of doing.

Dirk was fantastic. Jet, Barea, Kidd, Marion, and Chandler deserve credit. But without Carlisle, this team probably isn't holding up the trophy right now.
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Well said. That was one helluva coaching job for the reasons you mentioned. Also, what about the defense? The Mavs never played defense before, and this year they shut down the best teams and best players. Amazing.
 
I'm not sure why so many announcers are acting like this Mavs team is already done for. As if they couldn't repeat.

Marion, Dirk, and Terry have just as much if not more juice than KG, Ray Allen, Piece, Kobe, and Odom.

And it wasn't like the Mavs were at full strength either. They were missing their 2nd best player, Caron Butler.

Kidd's contributions to this team are already minimal statistically. If they feel they need more scoring, they can easily just put in a young JJ Barea.

Chandler though brittle, isn't too terribly old. They still have Haywood, who is good enough...

A great coach who isn't going anywhere. And the best owner in sports with tons of money to spend.

I just don't understand why people are acting like the mavs winning this year was an outlier or something. I think they have just as good of a chance as anyone of repeating.

I'd by far rather be the Mavs right now than the Lakers (strangled with an aging Kobe, no PG, no bench, and ugly contracts with Artest and Bynum), the Celtics (no youth other than Rondo), the Spurs (time to rebuild), or the Bulls (no one on their team other than Rose. Boozer's contract will strangle them just like AK's did to us).
 
zman1527 said:
Well said. That was one helluva coaching job for the reasons you mentioned. Also, what about the defense? The Mavs never played defense before, and this year they shut down the best teams and best players. Amazing.
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It's interesting how Rick Carlisle used the Doc Rivers philosophy where he says, "I'm not a great defensive coach, so I'm going to delegate ALL defensive responsibilities to someone who's better" - Dwane Casey for Dallas (Thibbideau/Frank for Boston) and let him run my defense.
 
I'm happy for the Mavs. I hope LBJ wins none of the championships, he's simply not a champion.
 
vslice02 said:
It's interesting how Rick Carlisle used the Doc Rivers philosophy where he says, "I'm not a great defensive coach, so I'm going to delegate ALL defensive responsibilities to someone who's better" - Dwane Casey for Dallas (Thibbideau/Frank for Boston) and let him run my defense.
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Yes, and that too is great coaching: getting great assistants and letting them do their stuff.

Anyone know what Ty was responsible for with the Jazz?
 
zman1527 said:
Yes, and that too is great coaching: getting great assistants and letting them do their stuff.

Anyone know what Ty was responsible for with the Jazz?
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Ty worked more closely with the big men, but Utah never designated one assistant coach for offense or defense. They all could provide input in both areas, and the 2nd and 3rd assistants were responsible for the final scouting reports of opponents.
 
Sean said:
I don't fault Cuban for taking advantage of the system.

But it doesn't make it right and it certainly doesn't mean the Mavs are a shining example of what the culture should be like in the NBA.

Sports shouldn't be an arms race. It shouldn't be about which franchise can outspend the next on a consistent basis. Because once we get into that type of war, those franchises without the capabilities to spend extravagantly over a prolonged period lose.

Would I love for Miller to be like Cuban and spend money like he's printing it in his momma's basement? Sure - but he can't do that. Miller isn't a billionaire. I doubt he can feasibly spend that much money and successfully run a franchise like the Jazz.

Now don't take that as an endorsement of Miller - it's not, of course. I think he could show more commitment to success and a great deal more passion. But he, like his father, is still limited to a point. Cuban really isn't.

Dallas was able to win because they spent a ****-load of money to keep its bench and role players. If that's the only way to win in the NBA, I'm afraid most the Association can't keep up with that.
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eg jazz should have kept mathews. but they lowballed mathews. and let him go on the openmarket
just like millspa they let antoher team decide the price. just mismanagment. shouldnt have spend a ******** of money
 
Pistons

vslice02 said:
Probably the first time since the '94 Rockets and '90 Pistons a team won the title with 1 superstar surrounded by a bunch of role players.
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Very interesting point, thanks for sharing....

Once could argue that Joe Dumars is in the "superstar" status...... just as much as Pippen was to Jordan. Would not call him a role player, he excelled on both ends of the floor. Elected to the Hall of Fame (2006); NBA Finals MVP (1989); NBA All-Rookie Team (1986); six-time NBA All-Star; All-NBA Second Team (1993); All-NBA Third Team (1990, '91); All-Defensive First Team (1989, 1990, '92, '93); All-Defensive Second Team (1991).

Dennis Rodman was a rebounding/ defensive specialist, but one could argue also a superstar with no offensive game. Elected to hall of fame in 2011, Led the NBA in rebounding for 7 consecutive seasons, NBA Defensive Player of the Year in 1989-90 and 1990-91, NBA All-Defensive First Team seven times (1988-89 to 1992-93, 1994-95, 1995-96) and to the NBA All-Defensive Second Team in 1993-94, All-NBA Third Team in 1991-92 and 1994-95, 2 time All-Star Game.

There are quite a few superstars who are role players. Nowistski is a mediocre rebounder, defender and passer, but unstoppable with his hands on the ball. Stockton's role was an assist machine and did not focus on scoring.

Just some food for thought.....
 
vslice02 said:
The Jazz had never won a title. The Heat just won one 5 years ago. Big difference, no sympathy from me.

Probably the first time since the '94 Rockets and '90 Pistons a team won the title with 1 superstar surrounded by a bunch of role players.
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Spurs with Duncan?
 
billyshelby said:
Miami is easy to root against, but I rooted for the Mavs because of the way they play. You need stars, but teams win, and that's why the Mavs are the best team on Earth right now.
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Hate Cuban, but I'm a HUGE fan of Dirk, What's not to like about the guy? and it's good to see some of his supporting cast get rings. Agree with Numberica - the Mavs' win was good for the league.
 
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As may be expected from my signature, I am extremely pleased with the result and basketball was the real winner.

To me, the result proves you don't win with superstars, you win with depth. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
 
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