The official "let's impeach Trump" thread
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Hotdog
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This Congress becomes the first Congress to attempt a coup d'etat on a president.
Crazy times.
Unsuccessfully uploading a video. I’m tech challenged. Will try later.
Zombie
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Using words you don't understand doesn't make you look smart FYI.
Hotdog
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Today was the day Trump finally became president...
Zombie
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On point as usual hack.
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Goodness...
when people worry about Trump controlling the narrative, just remember, he’s the best Democratic ad out there. Seriously. We can’t write ads as effective as Trump’s own filthy mouth.
when people worry about Trump controlling the narrative, just remember, he’s the best Democratic ad out there. Seriously. We can’t write ads as effective as Trump’s own filthy mouth.
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Lost all respect I had for Hurd. Apparently he sees a future position with this party in a few years and didn’t want to burn too many bridges. Why Would anyone really want to associate with this party? Why would anyone see a future in it? I certainly don’t. Personally, I think the chances of a new party rising from the moderate Democrats and splitting off from the more progressive win is higher than anything coming from the rotten corpse of this white nationalist party. The GOP is increasingly becoming the party of a handful of southern states. Once Arizona, Georgia, and Texas turn blue in the electoral college, the GOP will be shutout of the presidency. Which might actually happen in 2020...
I'm going to self indulgently self-plagiarize since I decided to be active in this thread for some reason. This was my biggest "WTF" of the day in a session full of odd moments.
So a lot has been made of Rep. Loudermilk (R-GA) comparing Trump to Jesus on the floor of the House today, but I think there's a lot in there about Christian identity beyond the obvious blasphemy of comparing Trump to Christ.
Loudermilk started his premise with the phrase "when Jesus was falsely accused of treason," which is a very interesting framing of the trial as it is depicted in the gospels. Jesus was deemed treasonous by the Roman Empire because he actually constituted an existing political threat to Rome. Specifically, the widespread belief that Jesus, through his divine relationship to God, was the "king of the Jews" made him a figure to whom a large percentage of the population owed a higher loyalty than Ceasar. It is actually blasphemous to say that Jesus was "falsely accused" of treason because his status as the savior of all mankind is what truly rendered him an enemy of the state. If he was "falsely accused," that would mean that he was not the son of God at all.
What's interesting about this framing, surely unintentional by Loudermilk, is that it expresses the fundamental modern conflation of Christianity as an identity (here in the actual body of Christ) with persecution and victimhood. It is more important to stress that Jesus was oppressed by the government than to acknowledge that Jesus' actual crime under Roman law was being a figure who threatened the existence of the state by transcending political identity entirely. Even to the point of distorting the Pontius Pilate story in a manner that denies Jesus' divinity.
Early popes tended not to last long. For the first three hundred or so years of the church, they were perpetually being captured, jailed, and killed because worship of Christ fundamentally clashed with Ceasar's claim of exclusive sovereignty. Allegiance to Christ was impermissible even in a society where polytheism was allowed, provided that the State came first. The logic of Christ as political threat is currently completely inverted - now his name is invoked in defense of the primacy of the state and its embodiment in a singular sovereign. Christ's political implication, inherent in his existence as the son of God and savior of all mankind, has been removed entirely.
Christ is dead. Christians killed him.
So a lot has been made of Rep. Loudermilk (R-GA) comparing Trump to Jesus on the floor of the House today, but I think there's a lot in there about Christian identity beyond the obvious blasphemy of comparing Trump to Christ.
Loudermilk started his premise with the phrase "when Jesus was falsely accused of treason," which is a very interesting framing of the trial as it is depicted in the gospels. Jesus was deemed treasonous by the Roman Empire because he actually constituted an existing political threat to Rome. Specifically, the widespread belief that Jesus, through his divine relationship to God, was the "king of the Jews" made him a figure to whom a large percentage of the population owed a higher loyalty than Ceasar. It is actually blasphemous to say that Jesus was "falsely accused" of treason because his status as the savior of all mankind is what truly rendered him an enemy of the state. If he was "falsely accused," that would mean that he was not the son of God at all.
What's interesting about this framing, surely unintentional by Loudermilk, is that it expresses the fundamental modern conflation of Christianity as an identity (here in the actual body of Christ) with persecution and victimhood. It is more important to stress that Jesus was oppressed by the government than to acknowledge that Jesus' actual crime under Roman law was being a figure who threatened the existence of the state by transcending political identity entirely. Even to the point of distorting the Pontius Pilate story in a manner that denies Jesus' divinity.
Early popes tended not to last long. For the first three hundred or so years of the church, they were perpetually being captured, jailed, and killed because worship of Christ fundamentally clashed with Ceasar's claim of exclusive sovereignty. Allegiance to Christ was impermissible even in a society where polytheism was allowed, provided that the State came first. The logic of Christ as political threat is currently completely inverted - now his name is invoked in defense of the primacy of the state and its embodiment in a singular sovereign. Christ's political implication, inherent in his existence as the son of God and savior of all mankind, has been removed entirely.
Christ is dead. Christians killed him.