The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

[Sardines]

Now that I answered your questions…

Is Biden a Nazi because his administration worked with Social Media to censor information?

I mean your own words is that what’s Nazi’s do

All Nazis eat dinner but not everyone who eats dinner is a Nazi. It takes more than one characteristic to be classified as a Nazi.

I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi but he shares a lot more Nazi characteristics than Biden or Harris.

 

[Red]

New World Order? Two Strongmen, dividing spoils. Trump the traitor.



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[Red]

As U.S. and Putin negotiate, intel shows he's not interested 'in a real peace deal,' sources say

Intelligence suggests Russian President Vladimir Putin is going through the motions and still thinks he can eventually control all of Ukraine, the sources told NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Red]

New World Order? Two Strongmen, dividing spoils. Trump the traitor.



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And this really seems more like it….Can easily see Trump behind something like this. Carve up Ukraine…divide the spoils.

Ukraine 'ready to be carved up' by Trump as meeting 'shows where power lies'

Top diplomats from Russia and the US met in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday to discuss negotiating an end to the war in Ukraine - despite not having any officials from Kyiv at the table

www.mirror.co.uk

“Head of Department of International Politics at City, University of London, Professor Inderjeet Parmar, believes the meeting between US and Russia officials shows "where the power lies" as the countries look to strike a deal which benefits them economically.

He told The Mirror: "(Given) that Ukraine, NATO and the EU has been excluded from the US-Russia meeting in Riyadh indicates where power lies. President Trump is after material gains for the US – especially Ukraine’s mineral resources such as uranium, lithium, titanium, and rare earth deposits. Currently, China dominates supply chains of rare earth metals -used in military technologies for example. China is the US’ ultimate target, the global context of the talks with Russia.

"Trump says he wants at least $500 billion worth of Ukraine’s rare earth deposits, around half of which actually lie in territories currently occupied by Russia. In return, Trump offers Ukraine security. Hence, the talks with Russia, to try and do a ‘deal’.

However, this deal is likely to either exclude or subordinate Europeans’ interests in the same minerals. As the EU foreign policy head, Kaja Kallas, noted recently, the EU has poured large amounts of aid into Ukraine and does not want to see Russia taking Ukrainian territories, the US securing natural resources, and Europe paying the bill.

Given what we know about the Trump administration’s material goals – hence desire to grab Greenland, Panama, Canada, etc – and Trump’s deal-maker personality – the war in Ukraine has little to do with defending democracy or sovereignty: it is a struggle for resources worth hundreds of billions of dollars, if not more. Trump also wants Ukraine to buy more US liquid natural gas."

The professor believes while "high level teams" are appointed to discuss the path to ending the conflict it leaves Ukraine on the "surgeon's operating table" as they wait to discover their fate.

Mr Indeerjet added: "Ukraine increasingly resembles a body on the US, EU and Russian surgeon’s operating table – ready to be carved up, much as colonial terriorties were carved up by the European empires in the 19th and early twentieth centruries. The biggest loser from the process is likely to be Ukraine and its war-weary people."

 

[Step-Back Lauri]

Go ahead and ban me, but I need to say it: it's such a shame Trump and his posse is alive. These ****ers are taking world to a some kind of trade war probably, and are now brown licking one of the worst people in the planet in Putin. They don't deserve their lives ffs.

Slava Ukraini and now slap the ban if you want. I'm tired to be PC, why should I. As a Finnish person I guess I have to start preparing for war if Ukraine will be forced for peace under unfait terms, Russia will get to keep the stolen land of Ukraine ... It only encourages them to try test other areas as well. Can't trust in NATO at all. Europe should have done much more for their own defense (Finland actually has been doing in the frame we can as a small nation, bc we have to live next to Russia). Now we're in between of a rock and a hard place with Europe, while one fascist is in power in Russia and the other fascist as the leader of the driving force of NATO says **** like this.

 

[Rubashov]

And this really seems more like it….Can easily see Trump behind something like this. Carve up Ukraine…divide the spoils.

Ukraine 'ready to be carved up' by Trump as meeting 'shows where power lies'

Top diplomats from Russia and the US met in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday to discuss negotiating an end to the war in Ukraine - despite not having any officials from Kyiv at the table

www.mirror.co.uk

“Head of Department of International Politics at City, University of London, Professor Inderjeet Parmar, believes the meeting between US and Russia officials shows "where the power lies" as the countries look to strike a deal which benefits them economically.

He told The Mirror: "(Given) that Ukraine, NATO and the EU has been excluded from the US-Russia meeting in Riyadh indicates where power lies. President Trump is after material gains for the US – especially Ukraine’s mineral resources such as uranium, lithium, titanium, and rare earth deposits. Currently, China dominates supply chains of rare earth metals -used in military technologies for example. China is the US’ ultimate target, the global context of the talks with Russia.

"Trump says he wants at least $500 billion worth of Ukraine’s rare earth deposits, around half of which actually lie in territories currently occupied by Russia. In return, Trump offers Ukraine security. Hence, the talks with Russia, to try and do a ‘deal’.

However, this deal is likely to either exclude or subordinate Europeans’ interests in the same minerals. As the EU foreign policy head, Kaja Kallas, noted recently, the EU has poured large amounts of aid into Ukraine and does not want to see Russia taking Ukrainian territories, the US securing natural resources, and Europe paying the bill.

Given what we know about the Trump administration’s material goals – hence desire to grab Greenland, Panama, Canada, etc – and Trump’s deal-maker personality – the war in Ukraine has little to do with defending democracy or sovereignty: it is a struggle for resources worth hundreds of billions of dollars, if not more. Trump also wants Ukraine to buy more US liquid natural gas."

The professor believes while "high level teams" are appointed to discuss the path to ending the conflict it leaves Ukraine on the "surgeon's operating table" as they wait to discover their fate.

Mr Indeerjet added: "Ukraine increasingly resembles a body on the US, EU and Russian surgeon’s operating table – ready to be carved up, much as colonial terriorties were carved up by the European empires in the 19th and early twentieth centruries. The biggest loser from the process is likely to be Ukraine and its war-weary people."

All too true

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Where this seems to be headed makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Red]

Trump lives in Russian disinformation by choice. Loves him some Rare Earth riches…

This is the New World Order the Right has been warning us about for years now. Turns out it was their Order all along. It’s a Strongman world now, and two of those anti-democracy authoritarians are drooling over Ukraine. The fact that it represents a betrayal of what we have long stood for, that’s just too bad. Trump and Putin are two of a kind.

Ukraine updates: Trump calls Zelenskyy a 'dictator' – DW – 02/20/2025

The US and Ukrainian presidents took swipes at each other with Volodymyr Zelenskyy saying Donald Trump lived in a Russian "disinformation space," and Trump calling Zelenskyy a "dictator." DW has more.

www.dw.com

Zelenskyy: Trump 'lives in Russian disinformation space'​

Responding to inaccurate comments from the US President that his approval rating was only 4%, President Zelenskyy said that "unfortunately, President Trump, who we have great respect for as leader of the American people ... lives in this disinformation space."

His claim comes directly from Russian propaganda, Zelenskyy added. The Ukrainian leader's approval rating has never dipped below 50% and has at times been as high as 70%.

A phone poll of 1,000 Ukrainians carried out by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology, published on Wednesday, found that 57% of people approved of how Zelenskyy was executing his position.

The Ukrainian president added that he wouldn't "sell" Ukraine to the US, referring to a proposed deal from Trump that would see Kyiv paid back aid from Washington with rare earth minerals

"I am defending Ukraine, I cannot sell our country. That's all," he said, adding that the Trump administration was not being "serious" about the deal.

 

[Red]

Where this seems to be headed makes me sick to my stomach.

I believe it should make any American sick to their stomachs. It’s a stunning stab in the back to a people who have fought so hard and valiantly to save their nation from one of the greatest murderous butchers of modern times. And now Trump wants to align us with the Russian butcher, in a world divided among Strongmen.

It’s a stunning betrayal of our values. I’ve long known my youthful innocence, in believing we were the ones wearing the white hats, was as naive as it gets. But, seeing us transform consciously into the “Bad Guys in black hats”, and millions of Americans are fine with that transformation, with Trump and Putin getting their wish, is nauseating. Weakening America? That was Trump’s job from the start….

 

[Al-O-Meter]

transform consciously into the “Bad Guys in black hats”, and millions of Americans are fine with that transformation...

Whatever you need to tell yourself to justify your hatred of the United States.

Everyone whining in this thread is living in unreality. People dying in a war over some fields in the butt end of nowhere isn’t a thing we should cheer. They are dead. Pointing the finger doesn’t make them any less dead. You lot are wanting more people to be made dead, more Ukrainians dead, more Russians dead, more people dead, and over what? The evil Russia invaded their neighbor and so they must war until the Ukrainians and Russians are all dead. Is that what you want? It certainly seems so.

Russia has already been devastated, and I won’t argue that they didn’t deserve it. They were the aggressor. Hundreds of thousands of Russians are dead. Hundreds of thousands more are crippled for life, and millions of the most capable Russians fled Russia to avoid being swept up for cannon fodder. Russia was in population collapse before, but now they are a corpse. They keep fighting because Putin tells them to.

Putin is in real danger of having his head put on a stick and everything stolen from him. As long as there is a war, he’s safe. That paranoid little man is continuing the war to save himself even if it means burning his country to the ground. If he told his troops to retreat back to the 2014 borders in admission Russia was too weak to take Ukraine and all of this was for nothing, he’d be dead before the end of the week.

Zelensky has to fight. His nation is fighting for its life. As he said in the early days of the war, he doesn’t need a ride out of Ukraine. He needs bullets. He too cannot stop fighting, or his people will rip him apart for being a Russian collaborator, and all of the dying was for nothing.

Ending the war requires an understanding of what each man needs, not what is moral, or just, or what is good for their respective countries. What does Putin need, and what does Zelensky need?

Putin needs to be able to present himself to the Russian people as the winner.

Zelensky needs to be able to present himself to the Ukrainian people as someone who fought until the barrel of a gun was put against the head of Ukraine, and stopping the fight was the only way to save Ukraine. The fight saved Ukraine and now the peace saves Ukraine.

You may hate that we are moving in the direction of painting Putin as winning, and in the direction of putting a gun to the head of Ukraine. I don’t like it either, but I understand that it is for show. It is performative. There is no point in continuing this war even one more day. Russia can’t take Ukraine, and Ukraine can’t take back all lands making up their 2014 country. The only way to stop the killing is to give each man what he needs to stop, and that is what we are doing. We are being the adults in the room.

 

[Mongoose]

Remember how the media has been lying about this war the entire time?


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[LogGrad98]

Now that I answered your questions…

Is Biden a Nazi because his administration worked with Social Media to censor information?

I mean your own words is that what’s Nazi’s do

All Nazis eat dinner but not everyone who eats dinner is a Nazi. It takes more than one characteristic to be classified as a Nazi.

I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi but he shares a lot more Nazi characteristics than Biden or Harris.

Sardines answered this well, and this is also something you should already know, come on. You are saying that Biden wanting (not forcing, not coercing, not passing laws or signing executive orders, but rather requesting, keep that in mind) that Social Media sites (also note, NOT true media, as in THE PRESS, but rather a cesspool of billionaires harvesting and selling your data and using your data to manipulate you in their platforms, which they have STRIGHT UP ADMITTED TO, again NOT media at all) police what is posted to ensure posts are factually correct and minimize the spreading of disinformation, something true media already has a charter to at least attempt to do, and protect our kids especially from harmful information, again something THE PRESS already has a mandate to do, hence why they do not print articles or share videos with sensitive information directly, but you are saying that is EXACTLY EQUIVALENT to Trump denouncing the media at every turn, demanding that 60 minutes go to jail for reporting the truth, and formally blocking the AP from the white house because they use international naming conventions rather than Trump's delusional renaming of a meaningless piece of arbitrary geography, you think these make Biden and Trump exactly equivalent to each other? Man you are brainwashed.

By the way, here is one example of Trump going after Facebook and tanking Meta's stock. No wonder they fell in line with his propaganda machine. Can you show me an equivalent report of Biden doing this much damage to force Facebook to fall in line with his agenda? Keep in mind, Biden wanted truthful reporting, fact checking, and protection for kids. Trump wanted positive messages about Trump, and free use of facebook as part of the propaganda machine. Those are qualitatively objectively morally opposing goals. I can guess which you think has the moral high ground in this, and that is just pathetic.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/tech/trump-tiktok-facebook-meta/index.html

And to be fair, here is a claim by the Heritage Foundation, the wonderful thinktank responsible for dismantling our government that is happening right now. By the way, no other outlet is reporting this, other than reporting what Zuck said during his congressional hearing, presenting no evidence. OH NO IT IS A CONSPIRACY!!1!

How the Biden White House, Facebook Quietly Censored Americans

Did you think what you saw on your Facebook feed was determined by your interests and your friends? Think again.

www.heritage.org

So let's take that at face value, and say sure, Biden pressured facebook secretly behind the scenes. Does that make them equivalent entirely then? So beyond a single incident of behind the scenes pressuring what else has Biden done to earn the moniker of Nazi?

As far as any good the current administration has done, I have noted in another thread I think one positive thing they did, which had to do with questioning some spending, which we have needed to do for decades by the way. But beyond that they have been literally nothing but destructive, and the methods they are using to cut spending are full-on dishonest, lying to achieve their ends, and focused more on protecting the interests of billionaires than actually cutting any meaningful spending. It has been shown that all the "work" they are doing will not make the tiniest dent in the deficit, and actually shown by a republican that all they have cut barely amounts to maybe a single week of deficit spending, and yet disrupted thousands of lives of hard-working Americans. So, no, I am seeing very little positive coming from this administration. I do not view attempting to rewrite the constitution by fiat a positive move. Trump has already violated his oath of office a half dozen times in a single month of his presidency.

So, please share, what do you see that this administration is doing that is positive? Can you give us a list and we can add our 2 cents as to whether we think it is a positive move or not? Was destroying the most vetted and cleanest operating segment of the government providing foreign aid to countries in need a good move, the one that is highly likely to end in the deaths of thousands? Was putting thousands of federal employees out of work to free up literal pennies a good move? The next question would be, good for whom? Decidedly not for the thousands of people whose lives have been torn apart with the stroke of a pen, but maybe great for the billionaires looking for yet another handout? So show us your list, give us your top 10 fantastic things Trump has done, tell us why it is a great thing, and let us add our 2 cents. Let's have that conversation.