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Sardines said:
I predict Putin has celebrated his last birthday.

73 years too long
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If true, then trump will follow shortly after.
Like when a spouse and the remaining person dies from heartbreak

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The White House is pressuring Ukraine to sign on to its new peace proposal by Thanksgiving or lose U.S. support to the country, according to two officials familiar with the talks, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive diplomatic discussions.

U.S. Army Secretary Daniel Driscoll presented Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday with a version of the 28-point plan President Donald Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff recently drafted with Russian envoy Kirill Dmitriev.

That plan, which has been leaked in the press and confirmed by several officials, included several red lines for Ukraine, including a massive reduction of its army size and ceding territory to Russia that it has not yet conquered militarily.

Although Trump has drawn down direct aid to Ukraine, the U.S. has brokered deals for Ukraine to receive U.S. weapons through European partners and continues to share intelligence that is crucial to Ukraine’s survival on the battlefield.

The U.S. is now sending “signals” that everything could be off the table if Kyiv does not quickly sign a proposal, the officials said, even as Driscoll took a lighter tone in Thursday’s meeting.
 
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The White House is pressuring Ukraine to sign on to its new peace proposal by Thanksgiving or lose U.S. support to the country, according to two officials familiar with the talks, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive diplomatic discussions.

U.S. Army Secretary Daniel Driscoll presented Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday with a version of the 28-point plan President Donald Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff recently drafted with Russian envoy Kirill Dmitriev.

That plan, which has been leaked in the press and confirmed by several officials, included several red lines for Ukraine, including a massive reduction of its army size and ceding territory to Russia that it has not yet conquered militarily.

Although Trump has drawn down direct aid to Ukraine, the U.S. has brokered deals for Ukraine to receive U.S. weapons through European partners and continues to share intelligence that is crucial to Ukraine’s survival on the

The U.S. is now sending “signals” that everything could be off the table if Kyiv does not quickly sign a proposal, the officials said, even as Driscoll took a lighter tone in Thursday’s meeting.
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In summary: trump and a russian came up with a plan that involves ukraine decreasing the size of their military and hindering their ability to defend themselves AND giving russia even more ukrainian land than russia has already stolen.
Then they give ukraine a fast approaching deadline to take the horribly lopsided favoring russia peace deal or else.

Yep. Krasnov is pretty predictable with his support of Putin.
 
metro.co.uk

Russia dangling $100,000,000,000 'carrot' as payoff to Trump

Vladimir Putin is dangling a $100,000,000,000 'carrot' as payoff to Donald Trump for putting pressure on Ukraine to accept the 'peace agreement'.
metro.co.uk metro.co.uk

No further Nato expansion. Occupied Ukrainian territory recognised as Russian, including by the US. No prosecution for Russia for war crimes.

These are some of the clauses – part of a ‘surrender document’, brokered by Donald Trump – that Ukraine is facing after almost four years of war.

Buried in the middle of the 28-point ‘peace blueprint’ being hammered out between the US and Russia, clause 14 stands out like a flashing sign.

It offers up $100 billion in frozen Russian assets – repackaged as a fund for reconstruction, with the US pocketing half the profits.

Meanwhile, Russia would be granted around two-thirds of the $300 billion of sovereign assets frozen in Europe.

Keir Giles, a Russia expert at Chatham House, told Metro this is a ‘payoff’ for the Trump administration.

He said: ‘You can see why that would appeal to the US. Effectively, Russiais saying, “we have given up on these frozen funds already, why don’t you help yourself to it”.

‘The terms on reallocation present a carrot dangled in front of the Trump administration to encourage them towards enforcement of the agreement on Ukraine.’

www.politico.eu

‘Witkoff needs a psychiatrist’: Europeans fume at Trump’s plan to profit from frozen Russian assets

Diplomats and officials react with outrage to new details of the U.S. peace plan, warning it could wreck their efforts to help Ukraine survive the war.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu
 
Red said:
metro.co.uk

Russia dangling $100,000,000,000 'carrot' as payoff to Trump

Vladimir Putin is dangling a $100,000,000,000 'carrot' as payoff to Donald Trump for putting pressure on Ukraine to accept the 'peace agreement'.
metro.co.uk metro.co.uk

No further Nato expansion. Occupied Ukrainian territory recognised as Russian, including by the US. No prosecution for Russia for war crimes.

These are some of the clauses – part of a ‘surrender document’, brokered by Donald Trump – that Ukraine is facing after almost four years of war.

Buried in the middle of the 28-point ‘peace blueprint’ being hammered out between the US and Russia, clause 14 stands out like a flashing sign.

It offers up $100 billion in frozen Russian assets – repackaged as a fund for reconstruction, with the US pocketing half the profits.

Meanwhile, Russia would be granted around two-thirds of the $300 billion of sovereign assets frozen in Europe.

Keir Giles, a Russia expert at Chatham House, told Metro this is a ‘payoff’ for the Trump administration.

He said: ‘You can see why that would appeal to the US. Effectively, Russiais saying, “we have given up on these frozen funds already, why don’t you help yourself to it”.

‘The terms on reallocation present a carrot dangled in front of the Trump administration to encourage them towards enforcement of the agreement on Ukraine.’

www.politico.eu

‘Witkoff needs a psychiatrist’: Europeans fume at Trump’s plan to profit from frozen Russian assets

Diplomats and officials react with outrage to new details of the U.S. peace plan, warning it could wreck their efforts to help Ukraine survive the war.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu
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What a **** deal.
 
Red said:
metro.co.uk

Russia dangling $100,000,000,000 'carrot' as payoff to Trump

Vladimir Putin is dangling a $100,000,000,000 'carrot' as payoff to Donald Trump for putting pressure on Ukraine to accept the 'peace agreement'.
metro.co.uk metro.co.uk

No further Nato expansion. Occupied Ukrainian territory recognised as Russian, including by the US. No prosecution for Russia for war crimes.

These are some of the clauses – part of a ‘surrender document’, brokered by Donald Trump – that Ukraine is facing after almost four years of war.

Buried in the middle of the 28-point ‘peace blueprint’ being hammered out between the US and Russia, clause 14 stands out like a flashing sign.

It offers up $100 billion in frozen Russian assets – repackaged as a fund for reconstruction, with the US pocketing half the profits.

Meanwhile, Russia would be granted around two-thirds of the $300 billion of sovereign assets frozen in Europe.

Keir Giles, a Russia expert at Chatham House, told Metro this is a ‘payoff’ for the Trump administration.

He said: ‘You can see why that would appeal to the US. Effectively, Russiais saying, “we have given up on these frozen funds already, why don’t you help yourself to it”.

‘The terms on reallocation present a carrot dangled in front of the Trump administration to encourage them towards enforcement of the agreement on Ukraine.’

www.politico.eu

‘Witkoff needs a psychiatrist’: Europeans fume at Trump’s plan to profit from frozen Russian assets

Diplomats and officials react with outrage to new details of the U.S. peace plan, warning it could wreck their efforts to help Ukraine survive the war.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu
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Wow.
The corruption and greed runs deep in the trump admin.
 
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I'm surprised there isn't a clause in that deal that allows Trump and Putin to **** Zelenky's wife while he has to watch, because it already amounts to them ****ing Zelensky.

Why would a peace treaty give the aggressor more land than they are able to capture through military action? Russia is gaining a couple kilometers a year, and that's been their pace for the last several years now. Occasionally they capture a cow pasture or small village, but big pushes and capturing major cities is a thing of the past. Not only that but Russia's economy is suffering and the people of Moscow are starting to feel the pain with massive fuel shortages that Putin can no longer keep out in the country so that his base of support is able to think all is well.

Neither side has any momentum, really, but conditions right now are worse for Russia. I know the Ukrainians are tired of this war but they are the innocent victims of this. Nothing Ukraine has done justifies any of Russia's actions.
 
Sardines said:
I'm surprised there isn't a clause in that deal that allows Trump and Putin to **** Zelenky's wife while he has to watch, because it already amounts to them ****ing Zelensky.

Why would a peace treaty give the aggressor more land than they are able to capture through military action? Russia is gaining a couple kilometers a year, and that's been their pace for the last several years now. Occasionally they capture a cow pasture or small village, but big pushes and capturing major cities is a thing of the past. Not only that but Russia's economy is suffering and the people of Moscow are starting to feel the pain with massive fuel shortages that Putin can no longer keep out in the country so that his base of support is able to think all is well.

Neither side has any momentum, really, but conditions right now are worse for Russia. I know the Ukrainians are tired of this war but they are the innocent victims of this. Nothing Ukraine has done justifies any of Russia's actions.
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Just another simple betrayal
 
Trump says this plan is not his final offer?

I mean I'm not the one who wrote "The Art of the Deal" and not to get too technical, but neither is Trump. I just don't think you offer Russia the biggest sweetheart deal imaginable and then say, "Well this is not our final offer," but maybe I just don't know how deals work.
 
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