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The Worst Thing About a Game Like Last Night

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Let's get one thing out of the way right away; teams lose basketball games. I know, it's crazy. This place is miserable after a loss, and it doesn't seem to matter the context of the loss (to whom, what exactly happened in the game even), it just goes nuts. I know this thread won't change any of that, I just want to make the most obvious statement possible; let's try to calm down a little.

Getting to the point, for me, the worst thing about this game is that Hayward was total garbage, as was Kanter minus about three plays. Favors was also not good. Burks looked good to me but couldn't get any minutes. In short, the young players were crappy.

As I've said before, whether this team wins or loses now is of secondary importance to me (despite how taxing losses remain to me), what matters most to me is if the team is preaching the right things, playing the right way, and - ultimately more than any one thing - the young players perform in a way that allows me to (continue to) believe.

I'm not necessarily blaming anyone for a loss or for whatever. I just want the young players to play better than that. That Hayward's problems are part of a trend on the season, that Kanter continued to struggle in the post, with his explosion, and was now horrific on D (on at least a couple of possessions finding his man to - seemingly - box out instead of protect the rim) and not rebounding very well bummed me out.

I'm sure this thought could've gone in any one of the knee-jerk threads that always crop up. But I felt compelled to put this out there.

Get well soon, Gordy. ****ing please.
 
PKM said:
I feel like you just said, "Calm down and be reasonable .. and, oh yeah, man we suck."
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I can see how you would. The thread is about last night, though, and I'm trying to highlight the youth. Honestly, if Burks, Hayward, Favors, and Kanter all looked awesome but Harris, Jefferson, and/or Raja blew the game for us (again), I'd be pretty rosy.
 
I disagree with your assessment.

Nice of you to tell everyone else to calm down before you rip mercilessly into the 2 players you think played terrible, ignoring that they played as well or better than most of the rest of the team, which was good enough to tie and go to a 2nd OT btw.
 
Don't really agree with your slant the young players were awful, and "crappy". Don't think that works as a blanket statement.

Bell made a few shots early, as he should, and then disappeared late when it mattered. His good play early in the game gave him more minutes in the game which he didnt end up
doing anything with. Hayward only had two points, but filled the stat sheet elsewhere. Bell's stat sheet looks like a ghost town. Giving Raja a free pass, when more should be expected
from him is alarming from you, Locke and others.

I do agree that Favors played below his stat line, but to sum up his performance as awful or bad is not accurate as well. He gave us more than Raja, and one less foul.

Again not only the young players were "crappy". Josh was horrible, and gave us nothing. I thought Miles played pretty solid, but didn't give us a lot in the end.
He just didn't make too many mistakes. Again Devin Harris a vet blowing the clutch fts was huge. Kanter was far from "crappy". He had 3 highlight plays. More
of a meh night overall from me.
 
Incidentally, my post was just being cute. You know I love you Numberica .. no, I'm IN love with you.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Kanter was far from "crappy". He had 3 highlight plays. More
of a meh night overall from me.
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So now couple open dunks from 6'11 center is considered highlight play?

This is from Toronto Sun... I guess they see it how it is:

https://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/26/raptors-have-jazz-singing-the-blues

It was not long before tip off and word started to filter out that Al Jefferson, the Jazz leading scorer and rebounder would not be playing. An inflamed right ankle was the reason. Derrick Favours, no slouch by any stretch, would replace him.

Early on it looked like his absence would not be a factor.

But with Favors in the starting rotation, that meant Enes Kanter, the Turkish-born big man who spent last season in Kentucky but was barred from playing by the NCAA, was the first big off the Jazz bench. That was not a good thing for the home team.

Kanter is still not up to speed with the NBA game. He's a nice big body but was abused by whatever big the Raptors put on him. Favors held his own, but Kanter was a big dropoff from what the Jazz were accustomed to coming off the bench. Kanter got some back late in the third quarter against the Raps but it was still advantage Raptors. He finished the night with just five points and three rebounds in 15 minutes.
 
Personally, I'm seeing enough of the things I wanted to see. The only real disappointment is none of the 4 has really exceeded expectations.

Favors is rebounding/playing D. No post game yet, or even a respectable PnR game, but I wasn't looking for an offensive jump this year.

Hayward's shooting is atrocious, and his lack of aggression is alarming, but he is driving more than last year and doing showing an ability to pass on the dribble.

Kanter doesn't look retarded, which is all I hoped for at 19, and his rebounding is obviously very impressive. Not expecting to see any real offensive game from him until at least year 3.

Burks is exciting to watch, and has obvious potential, but his struggles are EXACTLY what we thought -- he has to learn to play off the ball. He's going to be up and down.
 
NUMBERICA said:
This place is miserable after a loss, and it doesn't seem to matter the context of the loss (to whom, what exactly happened in the game even)
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NOT true at all! We can accept losses that have resulted from being outplayed. We don not accept losses at HOME to teams like the Raptors who are 5-11....and haven't made the playoffs in 10 years!!!
 
I have seen Favors use a post up back to basket game this year and it's working for him. He is still just using his athleticism to finish but he's working at getting good position etc. I think the real problem both our young bigs are having is that the Jazz don't space the floor well. Watch our offense in action as compared to the opposition. I know we don't have the shooters we need to be a threat from outside but this is what is clogging the lane for the big guys.
 
Jazz fans are the most emotional, that's what makes us the best. I was watching the other nba games today and even full capacity the fans seemed bored to death compared to Jazz fans. Got to love the Jazz! :D
 
I agree, the youth were pretty bad. But, I want to win right now, and I think the reason we didn't was because of the personnel we had out on the floor.

I just can't understand why Corbin stuck with Hayward for as long as he did. Having him and Bell out there during the OTs really ****ed our offense. CJ should have been out there. And, I would have gone with Howard at SF, despite his earlier woes.
 
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