This is sure to piss off some Jazzfanz

[Craig K. Manscill]

Hello? The Utah Highway Patrol Association is a state organization. That means they should be Christian. Not secular. Duh.

-Craig

 

[UB]

What are you,canadian? Get out of here with that **** Sloany.

i appreciate your edit reason.

 

[One Brow]

Notwithstanding the UHPA’s position, the State Defendants, in oral argument before the district court and in their briefs and argument before us, asserted that they would not allow any change in the memorial, whether to accommodate other faiths or otherwise.

In other words, only crosses would be allowed. Compare that to the Army's poisiton of having different symbols for memebers of different faiths, and that maight be a significant reason why one is constitutional and the other is not.

 

[Deleted member 95]

i appreciate your edit reason.

Don't you like this UB?

Taken literally, that would help make many peoples lives better. It would reduce the bloodshed or stop it altogether. Gay's and women rejoice. In particular, UB's girl thanks you.

It's a throwback to rasberry delight whale. A lot of hidden meaning in it ya hurr.

The only reason I type this, besides getting no respect for my brilliance from the rest of the board, I didn't want you to get offended. If taken wrong it looks like I'm saying you have thin skin but that is certainly not the case.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Notwithstanding the UHPA’s position, the State Defendants, in oral argument before the district court and in their briefs and argument before us, asserted that they would not allow any change in the memorial, whether to accommodate other faiths or otherwise.

In other words, only crosses would be allowed. Compare that to the Army's poisiton of having different symbols for memebers of different faiths, and that maight be a significant reason why one is constitutional and the other is not.

Yeah. Definitely this.

 

[catzies]

They don't rule the world, but they do have a voice. You may not agree, but it is what it is. Quit being a bitch.

You're right Kicky, this thread pissed me off. It reminded me I'm still pissed off that "bitch" is not included in the profanity filter. How sexist.

 

[Cece]

Heavenly Father doesn't like crosses, unless they're on Jesus Jammies.

 

[Nate505]

10th Circuit ruled that the Utah Highway Patrol Association can't erect crosses on the side of the freeway to commemorate dead troopers because of the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment.

https://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/08/08-4061.pdf

I fully expect 40 posts bashing athiests to follow.

So what exactly is the legal difference between putting up a cross on the side of the road and the military putting up crosses/stars of david/etc. in Arlington, provided the Highway Patrol was able and willing to put up a star of david if a Jewish cop died?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

So what exactly is the legal difference between putting up a cross on the side of the road and the military putting up crosses/stars of david/etc. in Arlington, provided the Highway Patrol was able and willing to put up a star of david if a Jewish cop died?

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Notwithstanding the UHPA’s position, the State Defendants, in oral argument before the district court and in their briefs and argument before us, asserted that they would not allow any change in the memorial, whether to accommodate other faiths or otherwise.

In other words, only crosses would be allowed. Compare that to the Army's poisiton of having different symbols for memebers of different faiths, and that maight be a significant reason why one is constitutional and the other is not.

 

[Nate505]

Ok, perhaps I should try reading sometime

Anyways, great ruling then. Although why the idiots wouldn't amend their stance is beyond me.

 

[Scat]

While crosses do have religious meaning to many I think in this case you could argue that forcing their removal is not just about a religious symbol being used by a government institution. Crosses have become an international symbol of respect for loved ones that have died regardless of religion. If the fallen officer's family has an issue with a cross, great, don't place anything in the spot. For a group out of Texas, that has absolutely nothing to do with the situation, to sue Utah forcing the UHP to change it's traditions just smacks of bullying.

 

[Boondocksaint27]

While crosses do have religious meaning to many I think in this case you could argue that forcing their removal is not just about a religious symbol being used by a government institution. Crosses have become an international symbol of respect for loved ones that have died regardless of religion. If the fallen officer's family has an issue with a cross, great, don't place anything in the spot. For a group out of Texas, that has absolutely nothing to do with the situation, to sue Utah forcing the UHP to change it's traditions just smacks of bullying.

This.