Thread for responding to transphobic comments

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All of the people in that study are dysphoric.

Of course. You don't offer treatment to those who are not.

They didn't compare the deluded to those who recognize the reality of biological sex because the self harm rate in the deluded is higher.

When deciding the effectiveness of chemotherapy, they don't compare the survivability of those with cancer to those without, either.

The delusion you are pushing on impressionable children is doing harm.

The pointless oppression you are pushing is literally killing them.

 

[One Brow]

Infant girls are born with hundreds of thousands of gametes they produced while still in the womb. They're called oocytes.

Oocytes have 46 chromosomes. They aren't gametes yet.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

When deciding the effectiveness of chemotherapy, they don't compare the survivability of those with cancer to those without, either

Ding! Ding! Ding! When comparing if it is better to have cancer or not have cancer, you compare those with cancer to those without. You are on the pro-cancer side. Telling biological girls they can be boys if they imagine hard enough is cancer. Telling biological boys they can be girls if they imagine hard enough is cancer. You and those with your point of view are societally carcinogenic. Look at the statistics! Cis-gendered youth have the best outcomes and the idea that it is possible to switch genders is a delusion. The idea of it being possible to transition is a delusion. Kids can be gay but they shouldn't deny reality. Indulgence of that dysphoria isn't benevolent or even benign.

 

[One Brow]

Ding! Ding! Ding! When comparing if it is better to have cancer or not have cancer, you compare those with cancer to those without.

Children who do not have gender dysphoria are not treated for gender dysphoria.

You are on the pro-cancer side.

You are on the side of telling people that they don't have cancer, when they do.

Cis-gendered youth have the best outcomes

Cancer-free children have the best outcomes, but denying cancer exists doesn't improve the outcomes for those that have cancer.

Kids can be gay but they shouldn't deny reality.

Being gay has nothing to do with being trans.

Just so you know, you sound totally oblivious and ignorant right now.

 

[Gameface]

I like that AI gives permission for people to be gay but withholds permission for people to be trans.

He hath spoken. I guess we're done here folks.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You are on the side of telling people that they don't have cancer, when they do.

Boys cannot become girls and girls cannot become boys. They can’t. It isn’t possible. Transitioning from one gender to another isn’t a thing. It is possible to chemically or surgically mutilate an individual in ways that on the surface may mimic secondary characteristics but they don’t actually become the opposite sex, a thing that is in every cell of their body.

Those who carry the delusion they can become the opposite sex are mentally ill. Being trans is being mentally ill and the best outcome isn’t arrived at from pretending along with the afflicted that the delusion is reality.

I find it especially odious when a parent consents to their own child being chemically or surgically mutilated, and that includes the use of GnRH puberty blockers that have been proven to cause permanent, irreversible brain damage when administered before puberty.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5333793/

 

[gandalfe]

Children who do not have gender dysphoria are not treated for gender dysphoria.

I'm still not reading their posts, but it seems like Al is probably using the term "gender dysphoria" without actually understanding what it means. Am I right?

Reading the actual diagnostic criteria may be helpful:

Table 2. [DSM-5 Criteria for Gender Dysphoria ()]. - Endotext - NCBI Bookshelf

As an aside, my father was a clinical social worker as well as an Episcopal priest. As I kid, I read such things as the Tao of Pooh, Leonard Cohen's "Let Us COmpary Mythologies", and the DSM III for kicks - really, I would read anything.

 

[One Brow]

Boys cannot become girls and girls cannot become boys.

You are welcome to your religious beliefs, but reality does not limit itself to your views.

I find it especially odious

No one cares if you are offended by things that don't affect you.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5333793/

I think it's appropriate that you think of people as being just like sheep.

 

[Eminence]

For now, for some situations I do think there's value in separately distinguishing trans/cis individuals, but soon enough (whether 50 years, 100 years, 500 years, I don't know) I suspect most of AIs complaints will fall by the wayside. Folks born XY will be producing eggs on this rock in the not so distant future (and the other way round).

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I think it's appropriate that you think of people as being just like sheep.

The hippocampus serves the same cognitive function in humans. Maybe parents who accede to GnRH use to irreversibly mentally retard their kids do end up with kids with a lower suicidal ideation but it is still monstrous in my view.

 

[One Brow]

The hippocampus serves the same cognitive function in humans.

Sheep are too far distant relatives to expect similar biochemistry.

Maybe parents who accede to GnRH use to irreversibly mentally retard their kids do end up...

No one uses it for that purpose, and there is no proof of this effect in humans. This has been studied for the younger children undergoing early puberty.

Cognitive, Emotional, and Psychosocial Functioning of Girls Treated with Pharmacological Puberty Blockage for Idiopathic Central Precocious Puberty

Central precocious puberty (CPP) develops due to premature activation of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal (HPG) axis, resulting in early pubertal changes and rapid bone maturation. CPP is associated with lower adult height and increased risk for development ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

In some mental tests, children on GnRH did better, on others, the control group did better. No difference was statistically significant.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Sheep are too far distant relatives to expect similar biochemistry.

False, and you know it because the study you linked to says the exact opposite.

From the study you linked:

Several human and animal studies suggest that GnRHa may indeed influence cognitive functioning. A decline in working and episodic verbal memory associated with GnRHa treatment has been observed in women with benign leiomyomata uteri and endometriosis ... Furthermore, GnRHa treatment significantly and sex-specifically affected hippocampus and amygdala gene expressions and altered amygdalae volumes

As for the young test subjects in the study you linked, the ones who received GnRH treatments before puberty were observed to have lower cognitive function. The results were in agreement with the other studies. The GnRH recipients were 8 IQ points lower than the control group. The effect is not reversible.

Table 2 summarizes the results of the neuropsychological assessment. The mean estimated IQ was 94 (range: 73–116) for CPP girls and 102 (range 81–125) for control girls

It is also worth noting the GnRH course the study recipients received was less intrusive than what many parents are agreeing to because the CPP girls were only trying to delay puberty, not stop it entirely. The cognitive damage being done by parents in the name of letting their kids pretend to be a different gender than they actually are is likely much more severe.