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Too good to tank?

Are we too good to tank?

  • Yes

    Votes: 29 51.8%

  • No

    Votes: 27 48.2%
  • Total voters
    56
KqWIN said:
This idea that we can just tank later on the season is mind boggling as well. Do people think W's don't count right now or something? It's great that Lauri, Key, and other young players have stepped up and made our team better. But there improvement is also why you can't F around as much. We can't just rely on having a 30 game losing streak or whatever later. And if we did have a 30 game losing streak in our back pocket, it would still benefit us to have 5 wins instead of 8 right now.It's like we learned nothing from this half and half business. In for a penny, in for a pound. If you're going to do something, do it in a way that gives you the most benefit and not in a way were you minimize the gains.

We don't even need to deploy the extreme measures to secure the pick and increase our chances at an elite prospect. By not doing modest measures now you're making it way more likely you have to do the gross tanking stuff later. And by modest....I really mean modest. We should pull levers that should be pulled whether we have a pick or not.
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As Ron Swanson said... never half *** two things... whole *** one thing.

There is also an element of doing subtle things now to get a few extra loses vs having to be extreme later and how that is way more impactful to the locker room, in the media, and gets more attention.

If you get on the wrong train the longer you wait to get off the more expensive the return trip is... something like that.
 
hgb said:
Losing the 9th pick in any draft is hardly a disaster. It would suck, of course, but you're rolling the dice here anyway.
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Not maximizing you chance at a top 4 pick and losing the ninth pick is indeed a disaster for team rebuilding.

Losing a few extra games to make sure that doesn't happen is a nothingburger.
 
fishonjazz said:
On the other hand, losing it for no real reason or gain when it wouldn't be hard to keep it is just kinda dumb.

Like me losing $50 bucks isn't a disaster but i dont think I will ever hold a $50 bill out the window while driving on the free way. Makes way more sense to keep the $50 dollars safely stored away.

Also makes way more sense to just try to ensure that you keep the draft pick instead of throwing it out the window.
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Yeah, but it's not for "no real reason". It's a matter of going out there any winning games, we've got ****ing 60 games coming up of games it would be fun to win instead of whatever the hell this is. I thought we'd be too bad to win much with the Walker injury, but it turns out we're not.

Personally, I tended to watch more or less all the games (living in Norway it's always delayed, on League pass), but less so in "losing seasons". Even less so now, when I want them to look good, but I don't really want wins. Except I guess I do. I have no idea what I want from this season, except I do know I currently hate basketball.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not maximizing you chance at a top 4 pick and losing the ninth pick is indeed a disaster for team rebuilding.

Losing a few extra games to make sure that doesn't happen is a nothingburger.
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Sure, maybe. Or maybe Keyonte and Lauri is way better than any of these kids anyway.

I looked through the last couple of drafts.

2021 had Cade at #1, and he's obviously very good. Mobley is great, Scottie Barnes great. Kuminga has the tools, but not the hardware, Giddey needed at least one trade to be functional.
2022 had Banchero at 1, Chet at 2, both very good. Jalen Williams at 12. No other really interesting player (Walker at 22 might be 3rd best).
2023 had Wemby, of course, otherwise Amen looks good, but outside of that... Cason Wallace and Ausar are probably excellent role players. Hardly life-changing.

I don't know... I'd want that pick, of course, but I also don't care too much about your average 10th pick.
 
hgb said:
Sure, maybe. Or maybe Keyonte and Lauri is way better than any of these kids anyway.

I looked through the last couple of drafts.

2021 had Cade at #1, and he's obviously very good. Mobley is great, Scottie Barnes great. Kuminga has the tools, but not the hardware, Giddey needed at least one trade to be functional.
2022 had Banchero at 1, Chet at 2, both very good. Jalen Williams at 12. No other really interesting player (Walker at 22 might be 3rd best).
2023 had Wemby, of course, otherwise Amen looks good, but outside of that... Cason Wallace and Ausar are probably excellent role players. Hardly life-changing.

I don't know... I'd want that pick, of course, but I also don't care too much about your average 10th pick.
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Ain't no reason why we can't add another star next to those two. Lauri was picked right in that draft range himself.
 
While looking at this, I was wondering how a redraft of 2021 would look like. Dratt was (1st round):
1 Cade Cunningham
2 Jalen Green
3 Evan Mobley*
4 Scottie Barnes+
5 Jalen Suggs
6 Josh Giddey
7 Jonathan Kuminga
8 Franz Wagner
9 Davion Mitchell
10 Ziaire Williams
11 James Bouknight
12 Joshua Primo
13 Chris Duarte
14 Moses Moody
15 Corey Kispert
16 Alperen Şengün+
17 Trey Murphy III
18 Tre Mann
19 Kai Jones
20 Jalen Johnson
21 Keon Johnson
22 Isaiah Jackson
23 Usman Garuba
24 Josh Christophe
25 Quentin Grimes
26 Bones Hyland
27 Cam Thomas
28 Jaden Springer
29 Day'Ron Sharpe
30 Santi Aldama

Of those, I think Cade is obviously great, Mobley, Scottie Barnes and Sengun are all-star-ish, Giddey is looking pretty good now. And then you have some valuable players.
 
hgb said:
Him and so many others. You can trade for a 20th-pick and go for gold, or bet on some reclamation project.
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None of these things are mutually exclusive lol. Go ahead and do them all.
 
hgb said:
While looking at this, I was wondering how a redraft of 2021 would look like. Dratt was (1st round):
1 Cade Cunningham
2 Jalen Green
3 Evan Mobley*
4 Scottie Barnes+
5 Jalen Suggs
6 Josh Giddey
7 Jonathan Kuminga
8 Franz Wagner
9 Davion Mitchell
10 Ziaire Williams
11 James Bouknight
12 Joshua Primo
13 Chris Duarte
14 Moses Moody
15 Corey Kispert
16 Alperen Şengün+
17 Trey Murphy III
18 Tre Mann
19 Kai Jones
20 Jalen Johnson
21 Keon Johnson
22 Isaiah Jackson
23 Usman Garuba
24 Josh Christophe
25 Quentin Grimes
26 Bones Hyland
27 Cam Thomas
28 Jaden Springer
29 Day'Ron Sharpe
30 Santi Aldama

Of those, I think Cade is obviously great, Mobley, Scottie Barnes and Sengun are all-star-ish, Giddey is looking pretty good now. And then you have some valuable players.
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Literally skipping over Franz at 8 is hilarious. Dude likely an AS this year.

No one even has to rebuttal the argument... you provided evidence against your own theory. Well done.
 
fishonjazz said:
On the other hand, losing it for no real reason or gain when it wouldn't be hard to keep it is just kinda dumb.

Like me losing $50 bucks isn't a disaster but i dont think I will ever hold a $50 bill out the window while driving on the free way. Makes way more sense to keep the $50 dollars safely stored away.

Also makes way more sense to just try to ensure that you keep the draft pick instead of throwing it out the window.
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Or handing the $50 to Elon Musk.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Literally skipping over Franz at 8 is hilarious. Dude likely an AS this year.

No one even has to rebuttal the argument... you provided evidence against your own theory. Well done.
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Yeah, definitely had the wrong Wagner bro there. He's clearly on the list of potential game-changers. Still not sold.

No one thinks it's great to give up picks and no one thinks it's better to pick later, the question is always other things. After the Walker injury I though we'd be really, ****ing bad, but it turns out we're not, and maybe it's better to challenge the best than to get a slight chance at a Jalen Suggs-calibre player.
 
hgb said:
Yeah, definitely had the wrong Wagner bro there. He's clearly on the list of potential game-changers. Still not sold.

No one thinks it's great to give up picks and no one thinks it's better to pick later, the question is always other things. After the Walker injury I though we'd be really, ****ing bad, but it turns out we're not, and maybe it's better to challenge the best than to get a slight chance at a Jalen Suggs-calibre player.
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I agree no one thinks its a good idea... but to downplay the potential importance or swing of getting nothing or a top 8 pick in an amazing draft is silly. If its cope then fine... but its gonna hurt.
 
hgb said:
Yeah, but it's not for "no real reason". It's a matter of going out there any winning games, we've got ****ing 60 games coming up of games it would be fun to win instead of whatever the hell this is. I thought we'd be too bad to win much with the Walker injury, but it turns out we're not.

Personally, I tended to watch more or less all the games (living in Norway it's always delayed, on League pass), but less so in "losing seasons". Even less so now, when I want them to look good, but I don't really want wins. Except I guess I do. I have no idea what I want from this season, except I do know I currently hate basketball.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but if it's the 9th pick we are losing, like you said, then that means we suck really bad. So we gained nothing.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Play Cody and Taylor 17-18 minutes a night. Its quite literally that easy.
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Possibly, but I think it takes ****ing the team more. I really think Cody can become a good NBA player in the un-inured Dante mold. Probably will take years, though, and you can probably pick those guys from homeytennis's list instead of the first round, but whatever.
 
fishonjazz said:
Sorry to burst your bubble but if it's the 9th pick we are losing, like you said, then that means we suck really bad. So we gained nothing.
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We didn't lose nothing, we fought for a playin spot all year. We had guys gunning for a win 60 games (or 82, if you think they're still there). That's a lot.
 
hgb said:
Possibly, but I think it takes ****ing the team more. I really think Cody can become a good NBA player in the un-inured Dante mold. Probably will take years, though, and you can probably pick those guys from homeytennis's list instead of the first round, but whatever.
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If we were doing this every night we wouldn't be having this conversation. It flips 2-3 games easily.
 
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