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jom2003 said:
Looking at Niang versus Duncan Robinson you can clearly see how a player's physical profile can make all the difference. Two players with similar length and skillset. But Robinson is much more gifted physically with good quickness which allows him to play as a SF or even a SG with size advantage. Whereas Niang will always be at a matchup disadvantage physically because of his tweener body that makes him too slow against most guards and too small against most forwards.
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Woah bro, are you telling me your physical body matters in sports?

Holy ****, you really came onto something by comparing Niang and Robinson.
 
Niang and Robinson dont really have a similar skill-set.

Niang was a point-forward his whole life and in the G-League. He's a pretty crafty scorer on all levels who can make plays with the ball, he just doesnt really get to show it in the NBA because it isnt going to be efficient enough. In the NBA his role is a bit more refined to being a floor spacer. He can do some off-motion stuff, but it's not really his game. He is good at shooting against close-outs, but not aggressive closeouts.

Robinson is a straight shooting specialist who can shoot off motion at an elite level with defenders right in his air-space (like one of a very small handful of guys who still shoot in the 40's when a guy is within 2-4 feet on volume). He's played the same role at probably every level he has ever played.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Woah bro, are you telling me your physical body matters in sports?

Holy ****, you really came onto something by comparing Niang and Robinson.
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Lots of interesting takes.

Also kinda interesting when I look and see that the Jazz are starting two 6’1” guards—one of whom is on a speed train to defensive ineptitude.

Can you tell us how you think this physical body stuff matters?
 
NAOS said:
Lots of interesting takes.

Also kinda interesting when I look and see that the Jazz are starting two 6’1” guards—one of whom is on a speed train to defensive ineptitude.

Can you tell us how you think this physical body stuff matters?
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There are two places in the starting lineup where we can improve a lot defensively...

The bench defense can be addressed with exceptions and tweaks... if we are giving Mike and Bojan major minutes I don’t know that we ever get back to top 7-8 status.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
There are two places in the starting lineup where we can improve a lot defensively...

The bench defense can be addressed with exceptions and tweaks... if we are giving Mike and Bojan major minutes I don’t know that we ever get back to top 7-8 status.
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Fairly easily. Mitchell has to try more then the rest of the team will follow. Conely isnt the sieve yall make him out to be.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Fairly easily. Mitchell has to try more then the rest of the team will follow. Conely isnt the sieve yall make him out to be.
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Yes if DM would try harder then Mike would grow, Bojan would get more athletic, and Joe would find the fountain of youth.

DM can be better but dude expends a ton of energy on offense. He should get the easiest defensive matchup but that often goes to Mike. We are last in the league in deflection and loose balls recovered... steals and blocks we are near last. We need to get bigger and more athletic regardless of how hard DM tries.

DM needs to give more effort and attention to defense but Rudy is going to have to go back to the stifle tower as well. He got super pouty for a couple weeks... right or wrong your guy Jimmy wouldn’t do that. Rudy can lead too.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes if DM would try harder then Mike would grow, Bojan would get more athletic, and Joe would find the fountain of youth.

DM can be better but dude expends a ton of energy on offense. He should get the easiest defensive matchup but that often goes to Mike. We are last in the league in deflection and loose balls recovered... steals and blocks we are near last. We need to get bigger and more athletic regardless of how hard DM tries.

DM needs to give more effort and attention to defense but Rudy is going to have to go back to the stifle tower as well. He got super pouty for a couple weeks... right or wrong your guy Jimmy wouldn’t do that. Rudy can lead too.
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Yeah, I never said we didnt. The idea that Conley is this huge defensive negative that limits us from being a top defensive team is ludicrous.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Fairly easily. Mitchell has to try more then the rest of the team will follow. Conely isnt the sieve yall make him out to be.
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Conley is being hidden. The vast majority of the time, that means he’s taken off the ball. And, given Mitchell’s load offensively, he usually isn’t assigned to the primary ball handler. So, the whole defense is shifted further in the direction of poor matchups OR we just bleed and try to out score the opponent.

Your stubbornness in acknowledging these dynamics has been.... funny?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah, I never said we didnt. The idea that Conley is this huge defensive negative that limits us from being a top defensive team is ludicrous.
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I mean if he’d try harder on defense the rest of the team would follow... he’s a veteran leader.
 
NAOS said:
Conley is being hidden. The vast majority of the time, that means he’s taken off the ball. And, given Mitchell’s load offensively, he usually isn’t assigned to the primary ball handler. So, the whole defense is shifted further in the direction of poor matchups OR we just bleed and try to out score the opponent.

Your stubbornness in acknowledging these dynamics has been.... funny?
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It's just funny that we can't acknowledge the short comings of a player.... We went from Ricky taking the most difficult assignment in the backcourt to having a guy you needed to hide a little. He isn't a sieve he's just tiny and his backcourt mate is tiny.

This is part of DL's problem is he does nothing to address obvious issues and then overreacts. His drum he's beating this offseason is find guys with defensive integrity that don't compromise spacing... you mean 3 and D? You mean putting guys that can space the floor and help on defense would be good to put around your all-star combo guard and defensive anchor center... HOLY ****! WHAT A CONCEPT! HAS ANY OTHER TEAM THOUGHT OF SUCH A CONCEPT!

We went with the clogged toilet bowl of non-shooters of Ricky, Rudy, Favs... maybe one of Ricky and Favs could survive with another shooter and provide some awesome value... instead of tweeking it at some point we wait until we are out of runway and over-correct and add both Conley and Bojan. We are probably better but not sure it isn't partly just organic growth for DM and it was super expensive to get there. We knew that even with a ****** shooter like Jae that those lineups were nails. We had plenty of data. Yet we stayed with it.

When you are building a team around two stars you should make all of your major acquisitions with fit in mind. Mike helps DM on offense but not a ton more than Joe does and causes issues on defense. DM needs to be the smallest guy on the court to really be maximized... been saying it since last year. If that means he trends more towards a pg because big pgs are hard to find then okay... but build with that ideal in mind. Instead we overpaid for Mike... I was okay at the time, but didn't like the overpay. If we didn't owe that extra pick it'd be fine right now. I had wondered out loud last year if we needed a true pg around DM or if we could make due with Joe/Satoransky or guys in that tier.

This thread wasn't meant for ranting about Conley... Just that we have a lot more questions than we should.
 
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