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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Handlogten's Heros said:
Pretty interesting. They are much more patient and measured than I think Knicks management might be.

Basically they are saying to wait until 2025 FA class... that seems waaaaaayyyy too patient for NY.

They did mention that they'd have to pay a premium because he has 3 years left instead of 2... which seems obvious to me but some disagree. The last point is kinda the issue for NY... if Donovan is ready to leave and we move him somewhere else then who are they waiting for and they will have likely missed their window. I think the mega package with all the unprotected picks I laid out is not something they would offer... I think a real package hinges on them getting a top 4 pick so they could give that up with 1 other pick and the Dallas pick... plus like Toppin and Quickley (and cap fodder).

The other thing they hit on is getting Donovan in the door now may open up the possibility to get the second star.
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How can they even free up cap-room?

Like, can they get max room for 2023 free agency if they trade for Mitchell now? Are there even players in 2023 that are max worthy?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes but I'm not doing it if the return isn't there. Just like the house example... if the offers are 80% of value then I'll wait. It is less just about Wemby and more of next year's draft is good and projects to have at least one guy who would be a consensus #1 pick.

Take his projection with a small grain of salt as he is a 17-18 year old playing against men. Injury is really the only concerning thing for me. He doesn't have the obvious two time mvp like Luka does but he has a ceiling that is just insane. I also trust Schmitz.
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I'm very skeptical of him. Not that he isn't a great prospect, but the "generational" tag really has me wondering. He's kinda sucked in every competition during his career. Yeah he's been a boy playing against men, but like you said Luka was MVP of Euroleague when he was 18. That's generational. Wemby shot 35% from the field in the Euroleague at the same age. All the talk is about how unique he is, but barely any talk about how good he is because it hasn't been good. He's been bad as a pro (offensively), understandable but not necessarily a good thing either. He notably had a good game against USA in the u19 championships (I watched that game live), but he also sucked the rest of that tournament. He's definitely not Luka, and to me he's not Zion, Davis, or Towns either as a prospect. I'm gonna wait and see if he actually plays well next year to anoint him.

But back to the OG convo, even if you're 100% sure about him as generational, I hope that wouldn't carry too much weight in the decision making on Don.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Welp, the Jazz held onto Mitchell for a year too long.

Everyone knows he's just a borderline all-star who doesnt play D.

It's pretty clear the Jazz are just going to hold onto him because no one is going to offer a Godfather package.
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I think a Godfather package is a little unreasonable... I think you go for a really good package. Those will be out there... maybe not with the Knicks but I really feel like they would still give up a ton of assets to get him.

Detroit with their pick and Grant (plus maybe another pick?) I could see being a destination as well. Not sure how long a leash Weaver has there. San Antonio could be a solid trade partner... I wouldn't settle for the Heat poo poo platter but that will be there later if they want it.
 
KqWIN said:
I'm very skeptical of him. Not that he isn't a great prospect, but the "generational" tag really has me wondering. He's kinda sucked in every competition during his career. Yeah he's been a boy playing against men, but like you said Luka was MVP of Euroleague when he was 18. That's generational. Wemby shot 35% from the field in the Euroleague at the same age. All the talk is about how unique he is, but barely any talk about how good he is because it hasn't been good. He's been bad as a pro (offensively), understandable but not necessarily a good thing either. He notably had a good game against USA in the u19 championships (I watched that game live), but he also sucked the rest of that tournament. He's definitely not Luka, and to me he's not Zion, Davis, or Towns either as a prospect. I'm gonna wait and see if he actually plays well next year to anoint him.

But back to the OG convo, even if you're 100% sure about him as generational, I hope that wouldn't carry too much weight in the decision making on Don.
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Not saying I would pitch the owner on we will get this kid but it would weigh in. Especially because he is a foreign born player. I think Utah will have a hard time retaining high ranking US players in part because of the AAU environment. I think they are more likely to stay in a smaller market... could be totally wrong but heard someone pitch the idea and it seems consistent with what we have seen thus far.
 
I look at Rudy and DM kind of like a house in the SLC market. As a seller, there’s no better time to cash in then right now if you don’t have to buy back in.

I’d much rather flip their value and come back to the table in 3-4 years with a deeper, younger team.

Whether it’s Rudy or DM, it’s not enough. Neither are going to lead you to a championship. The only way to enable that is to jettison at least one of them and pray for luck or ditch both and put together a fresh team without the drama.

And for the record, I think DM stays, Rudy goes.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
How can they even free up cap-room?

Like, can they get max room for 2023 free agency if they trade for Mitchell now? Are there even players in 2023 that are max worthy?
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2025... not 2023... I can just see Leon Rose pitching Dolan on "wait until you see what happens in 2025 free agency!!!!"
 
Avery said:
I look at Rudy and DM kind of like a house in the SLC market. As a seller, there’s no better time to cash in then right now if you don’t have to buy back in.

I’d much rather flip their value and come back to the table in 3-4 years with a deeper, younger team.

Whether it’s Rudy or DM, it’s not enough. Neither are going to lead you to a championship. The only way to enable that is to jettison at least one of them and pray for luck or ditch both and put together a fresh team without the drama.

And for the record, I think DM stays, Rudy goes.
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Right and by splitting them up we are selling one house for a similar house and hoping to get some hidden value... its more likely some value gets eating up in the transactional costs and the market will be similar to what it is now in the best case scenario.
 
Again, there’s simply no legitimate reason to put the franchise, fans, or teammates through keeping Donovan here through a whole miserable season more filled with drama and rumors. He will actually ruin All Star weekend in Utah, not make it better Ryan. Dude will be nothing but a dark rain cloud of drama for 7 months and all for what.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Right and by splitting them up we are selling one house for a similar house and hoping to get some hidden value... its more likely some value gets eating up in the transactional costs and the market will be similar to what it is now in the best case scenario.
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Part of my 3-4 year view is that I just don’t see Conley improving and we have other bad debt on our books that prohibit us (Royce, Gay, etc.). So building around Donovan isn’t a next year plan, it’s basically a long-term outlook with the intention he’s here and happy the rest of his contract. And if the losing sets in, he’s going to want to cut his losses and run literally anywhere else.

Structurally, I just don’t see this team competing for a top 3 spot in the West and if you aren’t confident you can do that, you punt.
 
Avery said:
Part of my 3-4 year view is that I just don’t see Conley improving and we have other bad debt on our books that prohibit us (Royce, Gay, etc.). So building around Donovan isn’t a next year plan, it’s basically a long-term outlook with the intention he’s here and happy the rest of his contract. And if the losing sets in, he’s going to want to cut his losses and run literally anywhere else.

Structurally, I just don’t see this team competing for a top 3 spot in the West and if you aren’t confident you can do that, you punt.
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Agree... if you think you can spin Conley, Bogey, and Rudy into something that is win-now and gets you to the second round next year then go for it... as long as it gets you some future facing pieces... but that is a tall order and so likely to fail.

I hold on to Donovan if the offers are weak or meh... if I'm getting 100%+ of what I'd expect in a year then I'm going for it now.
 
Can anyone tell me why Duncan Robinson isnt playing at all?

Kind of insane he had a crazy as **** Game 1 in the first round where he was a +16, then the Heat just bench him. Was his defense really that bad?
 
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