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This is the world we live in now. Where petty tyrants can strip your access to government services if a politician in your state isn't obsequious enough to dear leader for their liking. This is the kind of ****ery that's enabled when there's no repercussions for abusing power, it's not just Trump that we have to worry about, but all of his moronic stooges too.
 
This part of the security breach story made me chuckle: The group appears to have included virtually everyone at the highest reaches of defense and national security in the Trump administration, except the president himself.

They didn't include trump on the group text lol

Waltz, Vice President Vance, Hegseth, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Treasury Department Secretary Scott Bessent, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard and CIA Director John Ratcliffe all appear to have been among the participants. So too, apparently, were key figures in Trump’s orbit including White House chief of staff Susie Wiles and key adviser Stephen Millern and of course the editor in chief of the Atlantic, Goldberg. Not trump though.

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The use of Signal to discuss a military strike “may have violated several provisions of the Espionage Act, which governs the handling of ‘national defense’ information.”

A separate but related question is whether Waltz’s apparent actions in setting some of the messages to self-delete violated laws about the preservation of official records.

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Substantively, the texts published by Goldberg are remarkable because of how they show Vance’s unease with some elements of Trump’s approach, and the group’s general distaste for what they see as Europe’s lackadaisical reliance on the U.S.

On the day before the strikes, the account labeled “JD Vance” noted he was “out for the day doing an economic event in Michigan. But I think we are making a mistake.” As Goldberg notes, the vice president was in Michigan on the day in question.

Vance noted that vastly more European trade than American trade goes through the Suez Canal. He was implicitly suggesting that the stakes in safeguarding the canal — and the Red Sea, which leads to it and where the Houthis have mounted numerous attacks — were far higher for European nations than for the U.S.

The Vance account went on: “I am not sure the president is aware how inconsistent this is with his message on Europe right now” — apparently a reference to Trump’s often-repeated insistence that Europe needs to take responsibility for protecting its own interests, with military force if necessary.

Vance added, “I am willing to support the consensus of the team and keep these concerns to myself.”

In a separate message soon after, Vance said to Hegseth, “If you think we should do it let’s go. I just hate bailing Europe out again.”

To that, the account that appears to be Hegseth replied, “VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC. But Mike [Waltz] is correct, we are the only ones on the planet (on our side of the ledger) who can do this.”



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Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D), former Vice President Kamala Harris’s running mate last November, wrote on social media that Hegseth was “texting out war plans like invites to a frat party.”. Lol

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) called the episode “blatantly illegal and dangerous beyond belief.” She added, “Our national security is in the hands of complete amateurs.”

Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.) accused the administration of “incompetence so severe that it could have gotten Americans killed.”

Trump himself pleaded ignorance.

Asked about it by reporters Monday afternoon, he responded, “I don’t know anything about it. I’m not a big fan of The Atlantic. … You’re telling me about it for the first time.”. Well ya trump, they didn't include you in the chat lol

It’s difficult to imagine any high-ranking national security official in a more conventional administration still having a job if they did what Waltz did.

But the Trump White House is like no other, and the president swiftly released a statement of support.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement that Trump “continues to have the utmost confidence in his national security team, including National Security Advisor Mike Waltz.”

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fishonjazz said:
Substantively, the texts published by Goldberg are remarkable because of how they show Vance’s unease with some elements of Trump’s approach, and the group’s general distaste for what they see as Europe’s lackadaisical reliance on the U.S.

On the day before the strikes, the account labeled “JD Vance” noted he was “out for the day doing an economic event in Michigan. But I think we are making a mistake.” As Goldberg notes, the vice president was in Michigan on the day in question.

Vance noted that vastly more European trade than American trade goes through the Suez Canal. He was implicitly suggesting that the stakes in safeguarding the canal — and the Red Sea, which leads to it and where the Houthis have mounted numerous attacks — were far higher for European nations than for the U.S.

The Vance account went on: “I am not sure the president is aware how inconsistent this is with his message on Europe right now” — apparently a reference to Trump’s often-repeated insistence that Europe needs to take responsibility for protecting its own interests, with military force if necessary.

Vance added, “I am willing to support the consensus of the team and keep these concerns to myself.”

In a separate message soon after, Vance said to Hegseth, “If you think we should do it let’s go. I just hate bailing Europe out again.”

To that, the account that appears to be Hegseth replied, “VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC. But Mike [Waltz] is correct, we are the only ones on the planet (on our side of the ledger) who can do this.”



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Just to piggy back on this, and to your point about Trump not being in this chat - The participants here didn’t even seem sure that Trump himself had given the go ahead on the strike. “As I heard it” really? That’s about the level of due diligence I guess we should expect from this crowd.

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It appears that at least 10 government officials were members of an illegal communication channel and a subset actively participated. No one involved reported the security breach. The story isn’t about the reporter being included accidentally, it’s about people from the President’s Chief of Staff to the National Security Advisor participating in an illegal communication of top secret information on personal devices. The software used isn’t installed on their official government devices and isn’t cleared for use for government purposes.

As matters stand now, a private who loses a rifle suffers far greater consequences than a cabinet official or secretary of defense who illegally broadcasts top secret war plans across an unsecured chat platform with an unknown third party in attendance.

Remember during the first trump administration when trump gave sources and methods of intelligence Israel had collected to the Russians? As a result of this the Israeli intelligence services severely reduced sharing Intel with the US. This amateur hour is not new. It is a foundational element of the trump administration.

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I don't know about you but I'm starting to get a little bit worried about the keystone cops running American diplomacy. Trump's negotiator Steve Witkoff yesterday couldn't even name the Ukrainian territories he was planning to hand over to Putin and said he may have been ''duped'' in his negotiations with Hamas.

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Trump administration invoking state secrets privilege over deportation flight information sought by federal judge

Top Justice Department officials told a federal judge on Monday that the Trump administration is invoking the state secrets privilege to avoid giving him information about deportation flights from earlier this month that are at the center of a legal dispute over whether the government flouted...
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Top Justice Department officials told a federal judge on Monday that the Trump administration is invoking the state secrets privilege to avoid giving him information about deportation flights from earlier this month that are at the center of a legal dispute over whether the government flouted his judicial commands.

“The Court has all of the facts it needs to address the compliance issues before it,” Attorney General Pam Bondi and other top DOJ officials wrote in a filing to US District Judge James Boasberg. “Further intrusions on the Executive Branch would present dangerous and wholly unwarranted separation-of-powers harms with respect to diplomatic and national security concerns that the Court lacks competence to address.”

“The information sought by the Court is subject to the state secrets privilege because disclosure would pose reasonable danger to national security and foreign affairs,” the officials wrote in the 10-page filing.



The problem with the "state secrets" argument here is that it proves too much. If we accept the state secrets idea in this case, it means there is basically NO case where the government will have to answer any questions or provide information. I'm EVERY case, the government could say "state secrets" and every due process or civil rights claim would be dismissed.


The judge just has to point out that there were cameras / recorders and resulting pictures and videos of the people released as propaganda.

Simply highlighting this fact negates any argument from the Trump regime that they can't identify any of the victims due to "national security".

The reality is they KNOW they did this to at least some innocent people who were law abiding and following the rules in regard to immigration etc. They spent a week trying to dig up or manufacture some believable "dirt" on those folks and have failed. Pulling this routine is their last gambit to try to either cover up their misdeeds or delay things long enough that it falls out of the current news cycle.

“The need for additional information here is not merely ‘dubious,’ … or ‘trivial,’ … it is non-existent. The Executive Branch violated no valid order through its actions, and the Court has all it needs to evaluate compliance.” Then why the problem giving the judge requested information?? Nothin but "transparency" from this "administration.



While the actual state secrets are being released by Pete Hegseth to a reporter from the Atlantic.

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More from the **** show: https://www.yahoo.com/news/rats-card-tables-byo-toilet-090155331.html

Defense Department employees returned to work at an Army base in the Midwest only to find their offices were not mission ready.

Crammed into tight quarters, they sit elbow to elbow at card tables and talk over one another on the phone and on video calls. There are few spots to break for lunch or a snack because all of the cafeterias on the base shut down long ago.

Supplies are so scarce that they have to bring their own toilet paper and paper towels. To help out undermanned cleaning crews struggling to keep up with germ-riddled bathrooms and dirty workspaces, employees are told to pack up their trash and take it home with them.

Morale has cratered as employees juggle long commutes and child care headaches, said a Defense Department employee who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Once driven to boost productivity, they now punch in and out like clockwork and have all but given up answering calls and emails after hours.

“We honestly get way more done at home than at the office, but those are facts and no one seems to want to know facts anymore,” he told USA TODAY. “This will end up costing the government much more money than it will ever save.”

His experience reflects the sometimes harsh realities of a rushed return to headquarters and field offices around the country ill prepared for a massive flood of workers after years of telework



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Top Officials Reject Responsibility for Information Shared in Signal Chat

Representative Hakeem Jeffries, the Democratic leader, urges President Trump to fire Pete Hegseth. At a hearing, two top intelligence officials said it was Mr. Hegseth’s job to determine what was appropriate to share.
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‘That’s A Lie!’ Jeffrey Goldberg Smacks Down Hegseth Denial Over Blockbuster Leak

The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg told Kaitlan Collins that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's denial of the bombshell leak of war plans was absolutely "a lie!"
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Multiple top Trump officials insisted Tuesday — including under oath — that "no classified material" or "war plans" were shared in a Signal group chat that mistakenly included The Atlantic's editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg.

Why it matters: The White House has confirmed the authenticity of the explosive text messages published by The Atlantic, but disputed Goldberg's claim that he withheld "operational details" about U.S. strikes in Yemen out of concern that they were classified.

  • Goldberg, who was accidentally invited to the chat by national security adviser Mike Waltz, said the texts included the specific time, targets and sequencing of the operation.
  • "The information contained in them, if they had been read by an adversary of the United States, could conceivably have been used to harm American military and intelligence personnel," Goldberg wrote.
Driving the news: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, whom Goldberg said had shared the sensitive operational details, categorically denied Monday that "war plans" were discussed in the group chat.

  • White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt reiterated that denialTuesday and added that "no classified material was sent to the thread" — slamming Goldberg as a journalist known for "sensationalist spin."
  • CIA director John Ratcliffe and Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard both testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee Tuesday that "no classified material" was shared in the Signal chat.

  • The intrigue: Goldberg has pushed back hard on the Trump administration's attacks on his integrity and reporting, and left open the door to publishing the texts that he initially withheld.
    • "Maybe in the coming days, I'll be able to let you know that I have a plan to have this material vetted publicly," Goldberg told The Bulwark Podcast.
    • He cautioned, however, that he takes national security information "very seriously" — regardless of whether it's classified or not — and is "sticking to my principles here."

 
Am I reading this correctly that one of the group chat participants was literally in the Kremlin while this was happening?
 
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You can tell that this **** up is resonating with voters by the way Trump world is reacting. They’re acting the exact same way they did during the first impeachment.

1. They initially denied it happening. Trump denied knowing anything about. Which you know is a lie because he only denies stuff he knows about.

2. They’re now trying to demonize the journalist.

3. Soon they’ll move onto acceptance. They’ll admit they cocked up but will dare their own voters to turn against them. “We did it, so what? What are ya gonna do? Impeach a third time? Hold up legislation like tax cuts to our biggest donors until Hegseth resigns?”

And you can tell the cultists on here are searching for the Fox News talking pts and/or waiting for this mess to blow over and wait for the next Trump **** up by how they’re silent over there.

Anyone see Buck, Al, or Jazzy these days?


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Cult

Normal regular people vs cultists:


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So I guess Tulsi Gabbard recently had a meeting with Jackson Hinkie.
Jackson Hinkie tweeted out over the weekend that trump should be doing targeted strikes on kiev, London and Brussels instead of Yemen.
 
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I hope one day we get the whole Tulsi Gabbard documentary that shows when and how she got bought.
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That documentary will look very different from what you are imagining.

It starts with Bernie-supporting Tulsi Gabbard being vice chair of the Democrat National Committee under Debbie Wasserman Schultz when she discovered that Wasserman-Schultz was conspiring with the Hillary Clinton campaign to steal the nomination away from Bernie. Tulsi resigned rather than being party to it and she publicly endorsed Bernie for President. The Hillary Clinton campaign and Wasserman-Schultz's DNC then smeared Tulsi to destroy her credibility before she could expose their corruption. In the end, everyone found out about Hillary working with Wasserman-Schultz to shaft Bernie, but these days all anyone remember is the smear they concocted to slander Tulsi. The end. That is your documentary.
 
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