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Utes 2011 Football Discussion

SaltyDawg said:
Utah had covered the spread when the clock expired. Several hours later it was determined they had not covered the spread.
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They changed the final score of the game hours after the game had ended? Yeah, okay. How does that change the outcome of the game again?
 
JazzSpazz said:
And yet if you follow your link, and click on the link to the "complete standings" it takes you to a page that shows you first the conference records, and then the overall records. It also lists UCLA above Arizona State, and still has USC in the standings. Utah is still fourth. There is not a 4 by their name because I believe ESPN expects the people that frequent their site to be able to count.

So again, the Conference record trumps the overall record if you are talking about CONFERENCE STANDINGS!!! USC still counts, they have only been disallowed from playing post season games. It does not mean they cannot "win the division". You are so dense when you want to be.
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It absolutely does mean they can't win the division. On the front page of the PAC 12 official website right now there is a story talking about the division races. USC is not mentioned. Utah, ASU, and UCLA are who they talk about.
 
JazzSpazz said:
What does that have to do with standings or winning the game smart guy? Were we talking about gambling, or winning the game?
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We're talking about the outcome of the game. The final score is absolutely the outcome. This was a big deal to gamblers.

Or we can go your way too and just talk about knowing who is going to win. In that case, we didn't know until after the final play. That's what I was talking about in the first place before your clock expiring = game determined posts.

So my original point stands, Utah lost that game on the final play, and won the BYU game long before the final play.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Oh, did I say they changed the outcome of the game? You sure? Link?

I said Utah lost on the last play.
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They lost when they joined the PAC-12. Their facade of success will slowly wither and you're homerism will with it. Either that or you'll go into full blown delusional spin mode if you haven't already.
 
SalmonHobo said:
They lost when they joined the PAC-12. Their facade of success will slowly wither and you're homerism will with it. Either that or you'll go into full blown delusional spin mode if you haven't already.
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Right, and that's why they are still alive in the division race with only 2 weeks left in a major injury plagued season.

Just the facts.
 
SalmonHobo said:
They lost when they joined the PAC-12. Their facade of success will slowly wither and you're homerism will with it. Either that or you'll go into full blown delusional spin mode if you haven't already.
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I understand Spazz arguing about this, as he is the fan of a rival. You just come across as an ax-grinder, Hobo.

Besides, this conversation will be a lot more relevant after all the games have been played and the standings are final.
 
Bronco70 said:
I understand Spazz arguing about this, as he is the fan of a rival. You just come across as an ax-grinder, Hobo.

Besides, this conversation will be a lot more relevant after all the games have been played and the standings are final.
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True, I was just arguing to argue. I don't really care, except that Salty is wrong and it must be pointed out so we can see his creative logical loop arguments.
Jazzman has been fun lately too because he takes offense at the comments I throw in for flavor.

The reality is we will have to wait and see.

Bronco, why? Why would you try to post with actual reason? You are ruining the thread.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Right, and that's why they are still alive in the division race with only 2 weeks left in a major injury plagued season.

Just the facts.
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Yeah, just the facts. The facts are that on the field, they're in 4th place and 8th overall in the entire conference. The only reason you see them as 3rd is due to USC's ban. However, again, this doesn't change what's going on on the field--that when it comes down to the games, they're in the bottom half of the conference. Once USC's ban is up Utah will be an afterthought at best.
 
Bronco70 said:
I understand Spazz arguing about this, as he is the fan of a rival. You just come across as an ax-grinder, Hobo.

Besides, this conversation will be a lot more relevant after all the games have been played and the standings are final.
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If I'm an ax grinder, what's Salty?
 
SalmonHobo said:
Yeah, just the facts. The facts are that on the field, they're in 4th place and 8th overall in the entire conference. The only reason you see them as 3rd is due to USC's ban. However, again, this doesn't change what's going on on the field--that when it comes down to the games, they're in the bottom half of the conference. Once USC's ban is up Utah will be an afterthought at best.
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Again, that is not true. If we're talking about what is going on on the field, them Utah has the second best overall record in the division. And if we're talking about standings, then USC doesn't count.

Just the facts.
 
SaltyDawg said:
We're talking about the outcome of the game. The final score is absolutely the outcome. This was a big deal to gamblers.

Or we can go your way too and just talk about knowing who is going to win. In that case, we didn't know until after the final play. That's what I was talking about in the first place before your clock expiring = game determined posts.

So my original point stands, Utah lost that game on the final play, and won the BYU game long before the final play.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEFQTY4hjUk
 
SaltyDawg said:
Again, that is not true. If we're talking about what is going on on the field, them Utah has the second best overall record in the division. And if we're talking about standings, then USC doesn't count.

Just the facts.
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Overall record in the division again.... shut up. How about division record in the division and overall record overall. If you are using the overall record you should use all Div 1 teams, then Utah is what 50th?
 
JazzSpazz said:
Overall record in the division again.... shut up. How about division record in the division and overall record overall. If you are using the overall record you should use all Div 1 teams, then Utah is what 50th?
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34th, per Sagarin.

And I'm not the one saying to ignore the standings and just pay attention to what happens on the field, then using the division standings and ignoring the overall records.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Again, that is not true. If we're talking about what is going on on the field, them Utah has the second best overall record in the division. And if we're talking about standings, then USC doesn't count.

Just the facts.
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Second? Really? So if we lumped all the teams together, the Utes would have the 2nd best conference record? Interesting.

Have fun in the Bridgepoint Education Holiday Bowl. Go get 'em.
 
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