Utes 2011 Football Discussion

[SaltyDawg]

Trying to find where I said ANYTHING about BYU in this thread, much less "I don't see how BYU loses more than 2 regular season games (if that)". I have a hard time imagining that I'd say anything that irresponsible. Can you help me find that? I mean, once you do, I'll be happy to back up my words.

Trying to find where I claimed that you had said such a stupid thing. Can you help me with that?

I guess we know who the sackless one is.

Looks like you don't really think my claim is too homerish. Remember that next season when everyone is calling me a homer.

 

[GVC]

Not that I'm stepping in and making a bet, since I have no interest in college football, but wouldn't the sensible bet be, given salty's initial claim, whether or not Utah wins 10+ games? If they win 10+, Salty wins. If they win <10, salty loses.

Given your claim, salty, why should anyone have to pick the exact 3 games Utah loses?

 

[YB85]

Not that I'm stepping in and making a bet, since I have no interest in college football, but wouldn't the sensible bet be, given salty's initial claim, whether or not Utah wins 10+ games? If they win 10+, Salty wins. If they win <10, salty loses.

Given your claim, salty, why should anyone have to pick the exact 3 games Utah loses?

GTFO. That's too simple.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Not that I'm stepping in and making a bet, since I have no interest in college football, but wouldn't the sensible bet be, given salty's initial claim, whether or not Utah wins 10+ games? If they win 10+, Salty wins. If they win <10, salty loses.

Given your claim, salty, why should anyone have to pick the exact 3 games Utah loses?

Because if I'm such a homer for predicting it, then it should be no big deal to pick 3 games they will lose. If that is difficult, then my claim must not have been so homerish after all. And like I said, I'm more than willing to put the shoe on the other foot and pick BYU losses too so it's not like my offer is ridiculous.

By the way, my initial claim was not that they would WIN 10 games. My ONLY claim so far has been that they would not LOSE more than 2 games. Yes, it's just semantics. But if we're being entirely accurate here, I was only speaking about losses, not wins.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Not quite. I made the offer, and he basically told me no. You got it backwards.

Double not quite. You have it screwballed all up dude.
Post 1204 is your offer to Trout.
Post 1212 is Bordy's offer to you.
Post 1213 is your refusal of his offer and a counter of your own.

You refused Bordy's offer, which came before your counteroffer.
It is obvious Bordy wanted no part of the offer you made Trout, obviously because you are trying to weight it in your favor as much as Bordy was weighting his in his favor. Your constant skirting of the offer is the spectacle here. Getting you to admit you said something wrong even one time is like trying to force two magnets of the same polarity together.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Double not quite. You have it screwballed all up dude.
Post 1204 is your offer to Trout.
Post 1212 is Bordy's offer to you.
Post 1213 is your refusal of his offer and a counter of your own.

You refused Bordy's offer, which came before your counteroffer.
It is obvious Bordy wanted no part of the offer you made Trout, obviously because you are trying to weight it in your favor as much as Bordy was weighting his in his favor. Your constant skirting of the offer is the spectacle here. Getting you to admit you said something wrong even one time is like trying to force two magnets of the same polarity together.

Uh, no. My offer was to the board. That's why I said "haters" and not "Trout" in the post.

 

[GVC]

Because if I'm such a homer for predicting it, then it should be no big deal to pick 3 games they will lose.

Except in that case, Utah only has to win one game all season for you to win the bet (even though you predicted they'd win 10+). No offense, but that's a bigtime puss out.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Except in that case, Utah only has to win one game all season for you to win the bet (even though you predicted they'd win 10+). No offense, but that's a bigtime puss out.

Not true. I predicted Utah would not lose more than 2 games, I never predicted how many they would win. Others transposed my prediction to be Utah will win 10 games, but that is not what I said, in any post.

I said Utah would not lose more than 2 games. So if someone thinks that is an outlandish prediction, they can tell me which 3 games Utah will lose. So far Scat was the only one willing to go on record with a prediction, though he was unwilling to bet.

And, again, I said I will list 10 Utah wins and bet on them, if there is a seperate bet for the same amount where the other party picks 10 BYU wins. So if it's preposterous for one party, it's equally preposterous for the other. That's about as fair as fair gets. It's actually much worse for me since BYU plays half their schedule in one of the crappiest conferences in the nation (the WAC).

Even so, if someone is going to call me out for being a homer, they should be able to point out the 3 games. Basically, what we have here is people wanting to call me out for being a homer, when they don't have a leg to stand on. My point is, if you think I'm a homer, prove you know what you're talking about. Otherwise, if you're just calling me a homer with no basis, then you're just a hater.

 

[YB85]

From what I'm seeing, it's a simple o/u bet. Salty's initial post predicted no more than 2 losses, setting the number at 10. Offers of wagers were made for the under but rather than making it an o/u, Salty changed it to specific games, challenging the person to pick 3 specific Utah losses. Am I missing anything?

When I bet an o/u on team wins in Vegas/Wendover, I don't have to pick the wins/losses, just bet against the number. Why is this so difficult? As a Ute fan, I like Salty's optimism. I just wish that he'd either stop making bold proclamations or go ahead and take a bet when called.

 

[GVC]

I predicted Utah would not lose more than 2 games, I never predicted how many they would win.

Uh...there are no ties in college football, right? If a team loses, they don't win. If they win, they don't lose. Predicting < 3 losses is the same as predicting > 9 wins.

Again, Utah would only have to win 1 game for you to win the bet, even though you predicted they'd WIN 10+.

 

[bordelais7]

Why would you assume that I have any interest in taking your convoluted "Double or Nothing" concoction? I simply don't care. Why must you be so infatuated with BYU that you insist on continuing to drag them into this as some sort of arbitrary counter-bet?

All I care about is calling people out on their lack of willingness to directly back a statement. It's an internet pride thing.

Anyhow, I apologize for my faulty assumption about your "2 loss" quote equating to "10 wins". I've never claimed to be a mathologist. I suppose there IS a possibility that the Utes play less than 12 games next year. Somehow. Thanks for clearing things up.

 

[Scat]

I said Utah would not lose more than 2 games. So if someone thinks that is an outlandish prediction, they can tell me which 3 games Utah will lose. So far Scat was the only one willing to go on record with a prediction, though he was unwilling to bet.

I'm willing to bet but doing it your way, as GVC pointed out, Utah could lose all but one game next year and as long as the one win was one of my picks you would still win the bet because I didn't pick the exact three teams that are losses. You can't seriously be so obtuse you can't see this... can you??

 

[bordelais7]

Uh...there are no ties in college football, right? If a team loses, they don't win. If they win, they don't lose. Predicting < 3 losses is the same as predicting > 9 wins.

Again, Utah would only have to win 1 game for you to win the bet, even though you predicted they'd WIN 10+.

No, no, no. He never said that.

He can't see them losing more than two. HOWEVER, he apparently CAN see them winning less than 10. Simple.

 

[SaltyDawg]

From what I'm seeing, it's a simple o/u bet. Salty's initial post predicted no more than 2 losses, setting the number at 10. Offers of wagers were made for the under but rather than making it an o/u, Salty changed it to specific games, challenging the person to pick 3 specific Utah losses. Am I missing anything?

When I bet an o/u on team wins in Vegas/Wendover, I don't have to pick the wins/losses, just bet against the number. Why is this so difficult? As a Ute fan, I like Salty's optimism. I just wish that he'd either stop making bold proclamations or go ahead and take a bet when called.

It's not just a simple O/U bet. It kind of is, but it's really more about am I a homer, or am I falsely labeled as being a homer by a bunch of haters who have no idea what they're talking about? The point was, if you think they will lose more than 3 games, here is the schedule, show me how I'm wrong.

Uh...there are no ties in college football, right? If a team loses, they don't win. If they win, they don't lose. Predicting < 3 losses is the same as predicting > 9 wins.

Again, Utah would only have to win 1 game for you to win the bet, even though you predicted they'd WIN 10+.

See, now you're just playing semantics. So as long s we're playing semantics, them picking 3 losses is not any different than me picking 10 wins. Either way, we're betting on the same thing.

Now, just to clear this up, here is my initial post on it:

All jokes aside, looking at that schedule I don't see how Utah loses more than 2 regular season games (if that). And if the offense gets itself together, Utah has a real shot at going undefeated next season (at least in the regular season). It's pretty early and all, but I bet even the haters will find a hard time going on record and predicting more than 2 of these games as losses:

I took out the unrelated parts, and the actual schedule, in the name of space. But as you can see, my only real "prediction" was that the haters would have a hard time picking more than 2 losses out of that schedule. Obviously, I was correct.

 

[bordelais7]

So as long s we're playing semantics, them picking 3 losses is not any different than me picking 10 wins. Either way, we're betting on the same thing.

Challenge accepted. Pick your 10 wins and name your price.

 

[SaltyDawg]

No, no, no. He never said that.

He can't see them losing more than two. HOWEVER, he apparently CAN see them winning less than 10. Simple.

No, I'm just pointing out that for all the crap you talk, you really don't know what you're talking about. Either that or you really believe the Utes are better than you let on. You can't even pick 3 losses when looking at their Pac 12 schedule.

 

[Scat]

But as you can see, my only real "prediction" was that the haters would have a hard time picking more than 2 losses out of that schedule. Obviously, I was correct.

Let's take another route here. Pick your two losses. We can extrapolate from there who you think the 10 wins will be against.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Challenge accepted. Pick your 10 wins and name your price.

I'll pick my 10 Utah wins right after you pick your 10 BYU wins.

 

[GVC]

It's not just a simple O/U bet. It kind of is, but it's really more about am I a homer, or am I falsely labeled as being a homer by a bunch of haters who have no idea what they're talking about?

I checked, and since your prediction, only one person has been called a homer...it was scat, a BYU fan. You're talking out your *** again. The only thing people have challenged you on is your actual prediction, which was a simple O/U.

Again, you made a simple O/U prediction, but then you offered a bet that fell WAY short of that prediction. 1 =/= 10, last I checked.

 

[bordelais7]

I'll pick my 10 Utah wins right after you pick your 10 BYU wins.

Why would I do that? I'm not confident that BYU will win 10. And it's completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

But you knew that.