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Tom Pitt said:
I don't disagree with you on the first part. It's a tall task to get a lot of people to see even that part

But Trump is a reaction to Obama's second term. And Trump #2 is in part a reaction to wokeness. The left first started pulling the goal posts to the fringes. Most liberals can't even identify what the difference between neoliberalism and classical liberalism is ( chasm there) And way too people can even identify what i mean by that but it's not suprising. The left controls practically all the organs in society
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To add to this.........

Saying trump is a reaction to obama and wokeness is like saying me shooting you dead is a reaction to you flipping me off.

There are plenty of old, male, white, republican politicians who hate wokeness and obama and POC and LGBTQ etc who didn't also have a fraudulent university, steal money from a charity to pay a state attorney general to drop the investigation into trump university, have a fraudulent business, cheat on all their wives including one with a pornstar that he then paid to keep quiet about it, brag about committing sexual assault, call opponents wives fat, blackmail foreign leaders into investigating his political opponents, send a mob to the whitehouse to stop a vote count and kill the VP, walk in on girls while they were changing their clothes and brag about doing so, be a russian asset, be best friends with epstein, bankrupt a bunch of casinos, steal classified documents and not return them when requested to, say they know more about everything than anyone, etc etc etc.

This whole "you made us elect trump with your obama win and your wokeness" is total BS. Plenty of less corrupt, less immoral, less douchy, less narcissistic, less scandalous candidates out there that share the same hate for everything woke and democratic and "left" that trump does.
 
This is interesting

Russia signaled that it was willing to allow the United States to act as it pleased in Venezuela, in exchange for Washington giving the Kremlin a free hand in Ukraine, according to Congressional testimony from Fiona Hill, who ran Russian and European affairs on the National Security Council during the first Trump administration.

The Russians “were signaling very strongly that they wanted to somehow make some very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine,” Ms. Hill told a Congressional hearing in October 2019, more than two years before Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
 
LogGrad98 said:
As bad as Sadam? Does it justify an attack on their home soil? I'm asking legitimately. I'm not well-versed in everything going on in Venezuela.
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He's horrible because he ran Venezuela into the ground despite them having tons of natural resources, then lost an election by a landslide but claimed victory anyway.

I think there may have been a way to do essentially what happened in a legitimate way. It starts by talking to Congress and the Senate, our allies and then making a case at the UN.

Just abducting a foreign leader because we want to control their oil instead of China is not the way the United States is supposed to act. We've made the world a significantly less safe place. The lessons we finally learned after WWII have been thrown out the window and we're back to "might makes right" and the law of the jungle, which alpha bros love because the U.S. has the worlds most powerful military...for now.
 
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fishonjazz said:
This is interesting

Russia signaled that it was willing to allow the United States to act as it pleased in Venezuela, in exchange for Washington giving the Kremlin a free hand in Ukraine, according to Congressional testimony from Fiona Hill, who ran Russian and European affairs on the National Security Council during the first Trump administration.

The Russians “were signaling very strongly that they wanted to somehow make some very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine,” Ms. Hill told a Congressional hearing in October 2019, more than two years before Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
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Some sort of shifty back room deal to **** an ally over in support of a dictator? Doesn't sound like Trump.

Before you know it, Greenland will be a massive source of cocaine and fentanyl entering the US
 
Well looks like huge protests have broken out. Not everyone is cheering like the right wing media is claiming.

Also funny that all the right wing news claims this is about stopping a dictator, safety for USA, or drugs. Trump is stating clear as day this was to steal their oil and other resources. All the corporations that control Trump are very happy. He even said he consulted the oil companies before and after.

All our anti war posters on here and else where are suddenly cheering for pillaging another country and pretending you care about Venezuelans.

Can't wait for us to "free Greenland" from their oppressive dictator...

USA is ****ed and this is just the beginning.
 
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Donald Trump was never a dove

How critics of American interventionism fell for a myth.
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The 2003 invasion of Iraq, with its brazen indifference to international law, weakened faith in the US-led order. Trump’s first term hollowed it out. And now, the naked imperial violence of his second might have well and truly shattered it. Trump is making a series of wild threats and territorial claims, forcing Mexico to prepare for a potentially imminent US invasionand Denmark to take recent US threats to seize Greenland seriously.

What this new world disorder looks like is hard to say. Seva Gunitsky, a political scientist at the University of Toronto, suggested one model after the Maduro operation — a kind of regional “carve-up” in which the US, Russia, and China each get to do what they want in their respective spheres of influence.

“What just happened is entirely consistent with the spheres-of-influence approach that Putin has long advocated, and that Trump embraced in the latest National Security Strategy. The emerging order is one in which Putin, Xi, and Trump each get to do whatever they want in their respective zones: a grand bargain among the powerful at the expense of everyone else,” he wrote. “For ‘smaller’ places caught in the gray zones, like Ukraine, Taiwan, the Baltics, even Greenland, this is not an abstract theoretical debate but a question of survival.”

But this is just one possibility. The truth is that an unconstrained Trump, acting on his longstanding hawkish impulses, could cause all sorts of chaos in his remaining three years. While US military interventionism is very precedented, Trump’s particular brand of it — naked pre-modern imperialism backed by a modern globe-spanning military — is not.

Americans should be prepared for things to go very, very wrong.
 
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