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Volcanism..... just in time.

babe

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In my meanderings through the subject of climate change, I've found a great new alarmist cause the Left can embrace without fear of being proven wrong yet again.....

If anything can unite the world under fascism, this should do it.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...d-as-source-of-more-than-half-of-earths-heat/

So the internal generation of heat via nuclear reactions is immense. And it won't quit any time soon.

So political causes, great and small, can, practically forever, call this great problem the one that correct politics will solve for mankind.

People sleeping in crude cardboard tents along our little creeks or the Los Angeles river, on a hot summer night, can post comments on facebook about why politicians don't stop the nuclear earth now. Grand conspiracies about super-rich hermits pumping nuclear waste down oil bores..... dump and pump socialist entrepreneurs declaring the doom of entire industries via government regulation of nuclear isotopes and buying the devalued stock before reversing rhetoric....

while I have been musing, elsewhere in this forum, about how natural cycles must exist within the earth's molten core..... currents of molten materials.... driven by chemical forces of diffusion and physical forces of gravitation.... have created a geologic cycle of rising and falling volcanism at the surface, evident in earth history/rock formations. +

"volcanos" have always "been there", even when the earth was as a whole, molten. Chemical forces of attraction/repulsion naturally drive rates in chemistry. Heavy elements sink faster towards the core. Uranium and Thorium, for example. Some experts rank Thorium as much more abundant than Uranium. Potassium is relatively light.... it rises... it concentrates just under the lower solid layers of the earth's crust. Some experts say Potassium is the major internal heat generator. But, always, when "hot spots" naturally occur, the local rock (molten, plutonic rock) begins to rise into the crust, melting it's way upward. When it reaches water.... a powerful explosion can occur.... a caldera blowout.

So, some plutons are of near-surface origin, and have little valuable ore content.... but plutons originating deeper, in the iron core.... in concentrations of Uranium and Thorium, will bring valuable minerals (gold, etc) to the surface with them.

I've been going over mineral events in the US West.... the Great Basin, primarily..... and here's the scoop....

plate tectonics ran a molten layer between solid crustal layers around 30 to 15 million years ago, during a general uplift event geologically. Towards the end, the plate tectonics reversed, and most of the molten rock actually flowed back out towards the Pacific, resulting in stretching and subsidence within the Basin geological area. As the overlying rock thinned, a secondary epoch of volcanism ensued, just within the past few thousand years. Most of the mineralization in the West occurred early on in the 30-15 Mya era, but a few notable recent volcanic events created some mineral deposits that became quite famous.... Silver Reef, near St. George, for example.... resulted from volcanos within the past 50,000 years which "dusted" the surface with ash rich in silver, copper, molybdenum, vanadium, and uranium. The ash was acidic, chloride in nature, and resembles the famous San Francisco (Utah) silver ore. It was water-soluble chlorides, carried into the groundwater, and over an old river bed where there were buried, petrifying trees. The carbon (reduced to elemental C) reacted with the solutions to create petrified trees of silver.

At any rate, as I will develop the theme in later posts.... I believe the cyclic volcanism phenomena to be the main cause of global warming today. We are on the rise, thermally, from our own radioactivity, geologically speaking.

My first bit of evidence for this I have already linked in another thread.... a published, peer-reviewed scientific report done by global warmist alarmists, who without thinking reported that ocean outgassing is going on at about five times the rate we are producing CO2 via all our anthropogenic combustion....

what could be the cause of deep ocean warming??? The best guess is increasing internal fission. If this is true, there is little we can do about the rising sea levels, and @Red will just have to find salt marshes resulting from higher sea levels to love.

At any rate, one of the major implications of warmer seas is altered climate.... It remains to be seen how much warming has or is going to happen, and how that will affect us. But expect more rain and flooding, generally..... and more polar moisture. Whether that will mean accumulating or declining polar ice is up for grabs, but sea ice will decline, if the sea water is warmer, of course.
 
there is little we can do about the rising sea levels, and @Red will just have to find salt marshes resulting from higher sea levels to love.

Oh, that's OK. I don't spend that much time sitting in salt marshes anyway. A little crabbing on the edges, that's about it. And the beaches I love will be there till the day I die. Thanks for thinking of me though, you're a peach....
 
Oh, that's OK. I don't spend that much time sitting in salt marshes anyway. A little crabbing on the edges, that's about it. And the beaches I love will be there till the day I die. Thanks for thinking of me though, you're a peach....

David Rockefeller used aging science on the edge to extend his life, and look at immortal GinzaGirl who won't die until we have a D Senate and Prez. Wouldn't surprise me if Hillary turns up like a spring chick to settle the D ticket soon. You could live to be 160 if you could just fork over $5M and still eat out weeknights.

I'm figuring on catching all that jazz myself.

I'll be sitting on my favorite rock on the ancient beaches of Lake Bonneville, in front of my cave, still passing out free advice, I'm sure.

Never say die, bro.
 
So here's another link to the research.....

https://newscenter.lbl.gov/2011/07/17/kamland-geoneutrinos/

what impresses me most about these articles is they both admit we have no certain idea about where the other half of the earth's heat production comes from.

This one mentioned my fav theory about a deep pocket of concentrated nuclear isotopes/elements deep inside the core as a wild hypothesis, and just moved on by. "nuthin' to see here, folks.... keep movin'", as if officials actually know anything about the earth's core.t

We guess that it must be iron, in the solid phase, to provide geomagnetism. But iron is far from our densest element, if perhaps the most abundanst overall.

I speculate that lighter elements in a molten ball will find an place nearer the surface to collect, as heavier stuff sinks on by and lighter stuff rises on by.

carbon and hydrocarbons will rise. When oxygen is encountered CO2 or CO and water will be produced. I believe we have a whole damn lot of abiotic hydrocarbons trapped under our surface rock, everywhere we care to drill deep enough.
But it's a fool's game to run a carbon fueled world when we have so much nuclear power, and so much geothermal heat to exploit.

Some of our most abundant resources are titanium, magnesium, aluminum..... all of which can be crafted to be practically corrosion-free as structural materials for buildings and cars. They just need more electricity to produce. With nuclear power we can go to these lighter materials for cars and trains, not just airplanes and spacecraft. For the same strength at half the weight. Much of our auto mileage progress is due to using these materials already. dashboards, steering columns, engine blocks(with steel cylinder liners). Just a little more price competitiveness and the chassis will be Al/Mg. What I want is a titanium vehicle shell.....

cold fusion, now called LENR, is steadily progressing toward commercial applications in generating electricity. The needed deuterium is abundant in the ocean, especially at great depths.

So here in Utah, we have enough coal to power the world for 500 years, and lots of oil shales and sands to boot. And whatever anyone says, coal can be done as clean as nuclear or natural gas. We can recover and use all the flue ash, and make good use of them all. Like the Kennecott sulfuric acid railcar yard of thousands of tanks of sulfuric acid, it will all be used in due course.

The fun stuff of LENR includes gold as a side product. That would make Brigham Young a prophet with a wheelbarrow of gold buying a bushel of wheat.

I really don't like solar or wind energy programs. Long ROE times. A big windmill has to spin five years to repay the energy used to build it..... not to mention other costs. 15 years total to break even.....

electric cars will never be efficient enough at energy storage to be economical in a competitive world. Fuel cells won't do it either. hydrogen cars won't either. But flex rails with load units that can pick up a car or a truck, and move them with electric motors mounted on the rails, will work.... and will be economical and absolutely flexible in practice. It can carry anything, eliminate collisions and driver fatigue, and utilize nuclear power or any power source, even LENR when we get that productive.

So you hook up, let the rail take you from major points near home to near your destination, and you just unhook and drive off, gas or electric the last few miles, or whatever is not traveled enough for rail use. And, imagine, if you can, if we let pure stupid politics dictate that we all have to go back to our caves and have to wait years for simple medical care, like our Vets do now. That's the real crime of global fascism's hue and cry for "green" environmental, un-used technology. yah, just get a bike. it works fine.

So, anyway, I think anyone who doesn't consider the deepest core to be heavily concentrated elements like rare earths (some of which can have magnetic fields), uranium and other heavy stuff just doesn't believe in gravity. About as smart as the regular flat earther, really.

OK. So all those smart dudes just can't see the core of the earth, and haven't got any idea how much uranium, thorium, or other high-pressure nuclear reactions are going on down there. That's why what they now think accounts for.... oh, maybe...… half the internal hear production we can measure passing through our crust.

And why they can't get a handle on how things might change with time, like in a cyclic way, to produce the surface-evident ages of volcanism that we know come and go regularly.
 
Data on deep sea temps is practically non-existent. It is believed that the water at depth is about 4 C because that is the temp at which water has the highest density. Going colder, or freezing, makes a less dense material, that will rise to a point above the 4 C water, whatever volume that is.

But cold water can absorb more CO2, and rising temps will cause CO2 to "outgas". Considering the volume of water, and the solubility of CO2 under any atmospheric partial pressure, leads to the conclusion.... unless we are above 15 C..... that there is more CO2 in the oceans than in the air.

The recent report of surprising outgasing in the southern ocean (around antartica) generated little thought in the whole global warming alarmist campaign. But it means the oceans there are getting warmer. Yes the ocean ice around the continent is rapidly melting.... shedding cold water about 0 C in large volumes. So something is happening that overcomes even that vast new supply of cold water.....

Now I have a second report, from mainstream science.... again without any comment on what it really means.... again just avoiding the embarrassing implications it has for simple anthropogenic causes for "warming":

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04421-3


and here's a link that does state the obvious....
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11...antarctica-may-explain-ice-sheet-instability/

the data given in this article indicates that the whole continent of Antartica is above normal in heat flux, about twice the average worldwide.

But again.... there have been no time-line studies of changes in this flux worldwide or regionally.... We simply have no facts....

except the outgassing surprise finding in the southern ocean..... which may just mean nobody is looking at this issue, really.

Period.
 
The recent report of surprising outgasing in the southern ocean (around antartica) generated little thought in the whole global warming alarmist campaign.

Surprising? Even we amatuers in here were discussing out-gassing years ago.

the data given in this article indicates that the whole continent of Antartica is above normal in heat flux, about twice the average worldwide.

But again.... there have been no time-line studies of changes in this flux worldwide or regionally.... We simply have no facts....

We've been taking measurements since the 1970s, and doing estimates based on ice cores, etc., from well before that.
 
Surprising? Even we amatuers in here were discussing out-gassing years ago.



We've been taking measurements since the 1970s, and doing estimates based on ice cores, etc., from well before that.

blow-hard, without knowledge or measurement or any objective basis.... "outgassing" is something kids learn about when their unopened soda rolls around under their feet on a bumy road. careful measurements have not been done generally. A few spots maybe.

But with the heat flux from inside the core apparently quite variable by location.... Yellowstone a hot spot, about three or four times what deep well studies show, where deep wells have been drilled..... a few research holes, and some speculative oil test wells......

And again, with all of maybe 40 years and a few data points..... and no dedicated time-line studies.

If we are on the verge of a new geological age of volcanism, like we have experienced in ages past.... millions of years in duration with tens of millions of years of "quiet", it will not only cause the oceans to lose several times the volume of CO2 we have in our atmosphere, but add a lot more SO2, CO2, ash.... single volcanic caldera events have caused major extinction events worldwide along with climate disruptions.

you're pretty smug sitting in your ivory tower at what.... community college....

I don't know a damn thing except I know when I'm being lied to by political agenda wonks.
 
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