So getting voter ID is going to completely eliminate voter fraud?
Voter ID - Reasonable or Disenfranchising?
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So, I'm guessing a driver's licence, state ID card or Military ID would work? Then what, you also offer a free voter ID card?
I really doubt voter fraud has changed the outcome of all that many elections. I also doubt if there was a large organized effort to commit voter fraud that the ID requirement would put a stop to it.
I really doubt voter fraud has changed the outcome of all that many elections. I also doubt if there was a large organized effort to commit voter fraud that the ID requirement would put a stop to it.
In a close race it only takes one vote.
Doesn't it bug you that even if it doesn't change the race that someone can walk into a voting station, say they are you, take your vote and use it in a way that you disagree with?
Cyrone said:
It may not completely eliminate voter fraud but it is such an easy step to reduce it, it seems silly not to implement it. Voter fraud is so incredibly easy to commit that making harder seems the prudent thing to do.
So am I.
One of the arguments is that getting an ID intimidates people/is unattainable by some...
Well, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_(United_States)
Notice all the state paid for, free IDs given out? Not good enough for Dems. because this was never about right and wrong for them. It is about keeping that hispanic vote in their pocket.
I think you are completely off base here JimLes. The right (the ones pushing for Voter ID Laws) are working free IDs into their legislation ont his issue. See the link I provided a few posts up. The Tea Party and allies are not against spending just stupid spending (in their opinion).
SaltyDawg
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I don't think it's that easy. You would have to pick the correct polling location where the person is registered, and then maybe even show the voter registration card, depending on the state.
I honestly can't remember what I had to do to register to vote, it's been so long. But I know it would have been fairly easy for them to verify I'm actually alive, and living at the address I claim to live at.
Doing that would stop a lot more fraud than simply requiring an ID. Fake IDs are not all that hard to get for a determined individual. And if they verify the ID, they could even easier verify the person.
It's simple, when someone registers to vote you check the database and see if they are really a dead person. You also check the records and see if there is evidence they live at the address they claim to live at. If there is any doubt, you follow up with them and tell them to either verify some information that is on file (previous addresses, employment history, something from the credit file, when and where they last voted, income tax history, whatever), or let them bring an ID either to the polling location (which would only need to be done that one time and then they would be verified) or to the county clerk or whoever registers voters.
It would also need an immediate turnaround. If banks can decide whether to give you a $250,000.00 30 year loan in 5 minutes with an online application, the county should be able to verify if you're actually alive and living at the address you claim to live at in the same 5 minutes with an even simpler application and records check.
Once you register to vote you are registered for life. You never need to re-register. The voting card that I currently have is the same card that I received when I was 18. To vote all you need to do is show up at the polling place associated with your address. You give them your name, they actually show you the entry they have for you listed in their book and ask you to verify that it is you, then you sign your name and get a ballot. They don't ask for ID, they don't ask to see your voting card, they don't even ask you for your address to verify that you are who you say you are. All you need is a name and the correct polling station to cast a vote as anybody you like.
As currently set up, it is amazingly easy to commit voter fraud.
What do I care? If someone can't afford an $18 card then they probably shouldn't be voting anyway.
Considering that most of the states passing these laws are willing to waive all fees to get an ID this is not even a valid arguement.
A major critique is that it places a "tax" or "fee" on voting which is illegal. I fail to see that if the state is providing them free.
jimmy eat jazz
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How significant of a problem is this? Is is a serious, systematic problem, or is it a minor problem that provides a widow of opportunity to be exploited by Republican partisans for the purpose disenfranchising, or at least making it more difficult to vote, for traditional Democrat constituencies as a stratagem for improving the electoral odds of fellow Republicans? I'm inclined to believe it's the latter, not the former.
Plus I would say that anyone who actually believes that this movement is motivated by a genuine concern to protect the integrity of the electoral system is a naive fool. Whether it is addresses an actual serious problem is separate question, but it's underlying motivation cannot be doubted. It's pure politics.
Plus I would say that anyone who actually believes that this movement is motivated by a genuine concern to protect the integrity of the electoral system is a naive fool. Whether it is addresses an actual serious problem is separate question, but it's underlying motivation cannot be doubted. It's pure politics.
I believe the motivation for this is a belief that illegal immigrants are stealing our democracy by voting in the name someone else. I highly doubt there is a "problem" with voter fraud. It is not something I'm worried or upset about.