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Voter ID - Reasonable or Disenfranchising?

If you want to vote, prove you are who you say you are. If you are an illegal alien you shouldn't be able to vote, you are not a citizen. I have nothing against illegal aliens, if they are functioning members of society then they are more than welcome to stay, but they shouldn't be allowed to vote. I don't really understand why this is an issue.
 
kennykyle said:
If you want to vote, prove you are who you say you are. If you are an illegal alien you shouldn't be able to vote, you are not a citizen. I have nothing against illegal aliens, if they are functioning members of society then they are more than welcome to stay, but they shouldn't be allowed to vote. I don't really understand why this is an issue.
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And flashing an ID is not the only way, or even the best way to prove who you are. I don't understand why this is an issue either.
 
Look, the only fair way to include everybody (I guess for some reason everyone deserves to have a voice in the American political selection process) who wants to vote in the US is to have open voting where anyone can vote as often as they want. In fact, why limit voting to those in the US? Why not put open voting booths in Egypt, Tehran, Beijing, Pyongyang etc? I don't understand why some people think that only American citizens have the right to decide who their leaders are.
 
SaltyDawg said:
And flashing an ID is not the only way, or even the best way to prove who you are. I don't understand why this is an issue either.
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I think that depends on the situation. I can see using something like you have posted as a way to verify who is voting on early or mail ballots. However I think it is the safest/best way to verify ID for people who show up at the booths to vote.

@Candrew, I always read your posts. Even if we disagree on something you seem more interested in the topic and debating it instead of grandstanding and demonizing those that disagree. I want/like to hear opposing points of view. You never know when you will come across something you didn't think about.
 
Surely said:
Look, the only fair way to include everybody (I guess for some reason everyone deserves to have a voice in the American political selection process) who wants to vote in the US is to have open voting where anyone can vote as often as they want. In fact, why limit voting to those in the US? Why not put open voting booths in Egypt, Tehran, Beijing, Pyongyang etc? I don't understand why some people think that only American citizens have the right to decide who their leaders are.
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Isn't that pretty much what the citizens united ruling accomplished?
 
kennykyle said:
Isn't it the simplest most logical way though?
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Yes it is. Especially since the notion that people cannot get IDs is a non issue since the laws address that specific issue by providing free IDs.
 
Stoked said:
Yes it is. Especially since the notion that people cannot get IDs is a non issue since the laws address that specific issue by providing free IDs.
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Money is not the only reason people have trouble getting an ID. The law does nothing to address the other reasons people have trouble getting an ID (think 90 year old lady getting the run around at the DMV only to find that she needs to apply for her birth certificate in some other state that is 2000 miles away and she hasn't lived in for over 60 years).
 
SaltyDawg said:
Money is not the only reason people have trouble getting an ID. The law does nothing to address the other reasons people have trouble getting an ID (think 90 year old lady getting the run around at the DMV only to find that she needs to apply for her birth certificate in some other state that is 2000 miles away and she hasn't lived in for over 60 years).
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Just as Dems currently round up voters and offer them some incentive to vote (booze, cigarettes, a meal, etc.), they would round up people and take them to get an ID so they could vote.
 
Scat said:
Just as Dems currently round up voters and offer them some incentive to vote (booze, cigarettes, a meal, etc.), they would round up people and take them to get an ID so they could vote.
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I saw what Salty posted from your quote. I have already stated that needs to be addressed in the laws and I think it can easily be done.

There is a new program where agencies can verify a BC from another state. Over 30 states have signed on and the holdouts are in negotiations to join. With the technology and appropriate laws I think this is a logical step to protect votes.
 
Scat said:
Just as Dems currently round up voters and offer them some incentive to vote (booze, cigarettes, a meal, etc.), they would round up people and take them to get an ID so they could vote.
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Can you prove this? Also both sides have get out the vote efforsts.
 
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