Warren or Sanders?

[Zombie]

Not worse. And it's less about what is said and more about WHO is pushing these narratives.

Warren is propped up by the establishment for a reason. If you are voting for Warren under the guise of being progressive just know it's mostly a ruse.

I guess that depends on what you mean by the establishment. Warren is hated and feared on Wall Street every bit as much as Sanders is, if not more. She's a real progressive when it comes to things like income inequality and fighting against greed. If you're talking about the Democratic establishment you may have a point, but it doesn't seem terribly surprising that someone who wasn't willing to take up their banner until the last few years doesn't have a ton of friends there.

Something I've seen a lot from Bernie fans lately, is that unless you are as far to left as they are you're not a "true" progressive. Which to me seems pretty ahistorical, and reminds me a little bit too much of the purity tests we've seen from the right in recent history. I still support Sanders candidacy of course, but this kind of attitude is a tremendous turnoff to other progressives imo.

Warren is more progressive than any viable Democratic candidate we've had in decades, aside from Sanders. To be clear, Sanders is my first choice right now, but I'm absolutely going to push back on the idea that he's the only true progressive running, and everyone else is some sort of imposter. That kind of mindset makes building coalitions difficult, and I don't find it particularly convincing.

 

[Getting Traded]

I hope they find a candidate who actually has a chance of winning the election. I don't think it's either of them.

Sanders has always polled ahead of Trump.

 

[Zombie]

Sanders has always polled ahead of Trump.

Head to head polls this far out are notoriously unreliable, but fears about Sanders electability are misplaced imo, and usually say more about the how someone individually feels about a candidate than anything else.

Sanders would clean tf up in the Rust Belt, which would be game over for Trump.

 

[JazzMan4Life]

Yes, if the point of the poll is to know who is preferred over the two why on Earth would you introduce a 3rd option?

For the same reason as people put cheese as an option. Some people just want to click a button even if they don't have an opinion on the question.

 

[LogGrad98]

Sanders has always polled ahead of Trump.

That's what they said about Hillary almost exactly up to the night of the election. I don't think the Dems have anyone with enough gravitas to bring out the voters necessary. Trump's people are just too fanatic and he says just enough that the folks in the middle want to hear. I think unseating him will be a tall order.

 

[Zombie]

That's what they said about Hillary almost exactly up to the night of the election. I don't think the Dems have anyone with enough gravitas to bring out the voters necessary. Trump's people are just too fantastic and he says just enough that the folks in the middle want to hear. I think unseating him will be a tall order.

This is why national polls can be kind of misleading. She did end up getting more votes, so in that sense the polling was accurate. She underperformed in states that play to Bernie's strengths however.

 

[Getting Traded]

Do you ever consider how pathetic you sound when you always resort to insults? Calling people dumb all the time. If you were as smart as you pretend to be you would know that your insults are just a sign of your own lack of mental capacity. Its just a sign of you unable to have deep thoughts. Its a reflection of yourself. Also, It only hurts people lesser than you, and I gotta tell ya it doesnt bother me one bit. Im only telling this to help you. Id rather you be a more formidable opponent. I feel embarrassed for you.

Im sure, like all libs, you are a massive hypocrite too. Remember all the insults youve thrown around here when you tell your child for the first time it isnt nice to call names. Just tell them that daddy is a child too.

Insults are not necessarily a sign of lacking mental capacity. It also can be a matter getting so pissed off with the stupidity and ignorance that some display that the only way you can relieve your anger is to insult someone. Now that might be stupid but anger makes people irrational.

 

[Getting Traded]

That's what they said about Hillary almost exactly up to the night of the election. I don't think the Dems have anyone with enough gravitas to bring out the voters necessary. Trump's people are just too fantastic and he says just enough that the folks in the middle want to hear. I think unseating him will be a tall order.

Trump's people are fantastic? No, it's the electorate that is dumb as a bunch of rocks.

 

[Gameface]

That's what they said about Hillary almost exactly up to the night of the election. I don't think the Dems have anyone with enough gravitas to bring out the voters necessary. Trump's people are just too fantastic and he says just enough that the folks in the middle want to hear. I think unseating him will be a tall order.

I think there are a lot of people VERY energized by the prospect of getting rid of Trump. In 2016 no one expected Trump to win. Many voters sat on their hands because they thought Hillary would waltz into the White House. Now these same people are energized to make sure Trump doesn't get a second term. I think you're extremely underestimating this sentiment.

A bunch of Trump supporters are feeling pretty cocky (rooster-y). They think because they like Trump and aren't bothered at all by his actions, that most Americans are also okay with his behaviour. Buckle up for 2020 friends. If you think Trump is a fun laugh and you've convinced yourself that you're in the majority... well, let's just see.

 

[Gameface]

If there was an international crisis, I want Warren over Sanders.

If I had to chose who had their finger on the Nuclear button, I want Warren over Sanders.

If there was some situation that called for our President to take an action contrary to their ideology because it had to be done, I want Warren over Sanders.

If there was some completely unexpected development that changed the game, I want Warren to deal with it over Sanders.

If there was a diplomatic crisis, I want Warren over Sanders.

So **** you Saint Cy. **** you!

I don't give a **** about being a progressive. I'm not a progressive. I don't care who the better progressive is, because I don't even want the most progressive person to be in charge. So eat my ***.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If there was an international crisis, I want Warren over Sanders.

If I had to chose who had their finger on the Nuclear button, I want Warren over Sanders.

If there was some situation that called for our President to take an action contrary to their ideology because it had to be done, I want Warren over Sanders.

If there was some completely unexpected development that changed the game, I want Warren to deal with it over Sanders.

If there was a diplomatic crisis, I want Warren over Sanders.

So **** you Saint Cy. **** you!

I don't give a **** about being a progressive. I'm not a progressive. I don't care who the better progressive is, because I don't even want the most progressive person to be in charge. So eat my ***.

WHAT? The huge weak-spot for Warren is international policy.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That's what they said about Hillary almost exactly up to the night of the election. I don't think the Dems have anyone with enough gravitas to bring out the voters necessary. Trump's people are just too fantastic and he says just enough that the folks in the middle want to hear. I think unseating him will be a tall order.

Again, Bernie has the most individual donors of all-time (at any point in an election), 2 years before the election


With next to zero mainstream media support.