Warren or Sanders?

[NUMBERICA]

Just out of curiosity, what is of more importance to you, implementing new programs (student debt forgiveness, Single Payer or other Healthcare Reform, etc.) or balancing the budget to stop the increase of our Federal Debt? Can both be accomplished simultaneously? Can Democrats enact a tax rate structure that can collect enough revenue from constituents to pay for these programs, growing social security, Medicaid/Medicare, and stop the deficits?

K, but rewind: you know Republicans are AT LEAST as bad at deficit-spending, right? That’s a hollow, fake talking point of the GOP.

 

[Getting Traded]

I think most of the people "energized" to get rid of Trump are the people that are going to be voting regardless. At some point, people have to believe in the person they are voting for, not just the person they are trying to get out of office. Obama got a lot of people to the polls, especially African-Americans. Are Warren or Sanders going to drive those same people to the polls? The DNC would be better off backing a likable, charismatic, moderate candidate. Free College, Universal Healthcare, Student Loan Forgiveness, UBI..........these ideas only appeal to certain groups. Has anyone noticed that the Democrats have said virtually nothing about the Economy? The status of the Economy is one of the few topics that everyone is interested in, yet the Democrats are silent on it. If a Democrat announced a realistic plan to balance the budget (Trump has failed here) and promised to do so before implementing any new expensive programs, that is a candidate I could back. We can't keep running trillion dollar deficits and not expect a monumental economic collapse at some point.

Stop spending $1 trillion on the military budget and we will have plenty of money for programs to help the people. That money goes to the war profiteers. It would be much better spent on our crumbling infrastructure program and new green energy development. Things that help people and improve the environment. Those also create jobs. We need to get over the military crap. People won't want to terrorize us if we stop terrorizing them because that is essentially what are our wars to keep us "safe" (yeah, right) to protect democracy are.

 

[NAOS]

K, but rewind: you know Republicans are AT LEAST as bad at deficit-spending, right? That’s a hollow, fake talking point of the GOP.

There’s also no a priori or direct linkage between debt forgiveness and government payments. If there was sufficient strength on this issue, much of this debt could simply be wiped out.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

K, but rewind: you know Republicans are AT LEAST as bad at deficit-spending, right? That’s a hollow, fake talking point of the GOP.

I'm not a Republican.

 

[framer]

Unfortunately I agree with this 100%. History has shown contempt for a republican incumbent alone has never been enough - Eisenhower in 56, Nixon in 72, certainly Bush in 2004.

There's an old saying - democrats fall in love while republicans fall in line.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Unfortunately I agree with this 100%. History has shown contempt for a republican incumbent alone has never been enough - Eisenhower in 56, Nixon in 72, certainly Bush in 2004.

There's an old saying - democrats fall in love while republicans fall in line.

I’ve never heard this and I’m not sure I’ve ever heard anything more true.

 

[One Brow]

Just out of curiosity, what is of more importance to you, implementing new programs (student debt forgiveness, Single Payer or other Healthcare Reform, etc.) or balancing the budget to stop the increase of our Federal Debt? Can both be accomplished simultaneously? Can Democrats enact a tax rate structure that can collect enough revenue from constituents to pay for these programs, growing social security, Medicaid/Medicare, and stop the deficits?

Medicare for All, or something similar, can be sold on the overall reduction of curent tax+premium to just tax for a smaller amount.

However, I have no idea what can be accomplished if the Senate is not flipped. Possibly nothing. Even if the Senate is flipped, probably very little.

 

[Jonah]

Unfortunately I agree with this 100%. History has shown contempt for a republican incumbent alone has never been enough - Eisenhower in 56, Nixon in 72, certainly Bush in 2004.

There's an old saying - democrats fall in love while republicans fall in line.

Overall good point comparing Trump with controversial and relatively unpopular presidents like Nixon and Bush who were both reelected, however, not sure why Eisenhower is being lumped in with Nixon in 72 and Bush in 04. Eisenhower was popular throughout his presidency and his approval leading up to the 56 election was around 70 percent.

 

[Gameface]

Trump is not Nixon or Bush.

African American turnout is going to be high. Hispanic turnout is going to be high. Female turnout is going to be high.

I don't think this is a typical election. I think it's gonna be different.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Warren can’t handle an international crisis— she can’t even handle a question from Colbert on the tax raise needed for her health care plan. Or interview questions on her Cherokee roots, or mass incarceration.

her morals are a moving target— she’s a thermometer, Bernie is a thermostat.

Bernie all day.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Warren can’t handle an international crisis— she can’t even handle a question from Colbert on the tax raise needed for her health care plan. Or interview questions on her Cherokee roots, or mass incarceration.

her morals are a moving target— she’s a thermometer, Bernie is a thermostat.

Bernie all day.

The issue of her heritage and her handling of it is actually a pretty big deal and it’s strange to me that people - especially on the left - aren’t more bothered about that whole thing. She whiffed super hard, at best. I really don’t see a reason that’s not as much of a vulnerability as Hilary’s damned e-mails at the end of the day.

 

[Zombie]

Just out of curiosity, what is of more importance to you, implementing new programs (student debt forgiveness, Single Payer or other Healthcare Reform, etc.) or balancing the budget to stop the increase of our Federal Debt? Can both be accomplished simultaneously? Can Democrats enact a tax rate structure that can collect enough revenue from constituents to pay for these programs, growing social security, Medicaid/Medicare, and stop the deficits?

I'd say that healthcare reform is probably the most pressing issue, but there's no reason we couldn't tackle it and student debt at the same time.

Canceling student debt is a no brianer imo. It would create millions of jobs and actually stimulate the economy in a way the Trump tax cuts never could. The more I've become familiar with modern monetary theory the more I've realized Cheney was kind of right when he said "deficits don't matter." The government doesn't need to balance its budget in the way that a household does. In the case of student loan debt the vast majority of it is owed to the US government, we wouldn't even need to disburse any payments to eliminate it.

As for single payer healthcare, we would need to shift the costs currently spent on private insurance and out of pocket costs to a government run program. I'm no economist but I don't understand why every other developed country is capable of having a healthcare system that doesn't drive millions of households into debt and results in better health for their citizens, but the most wealthy country of all time somehow can't.