Comes down to the argument of a player who was elite on one end of the floor, but s liability on the other, vs. a player who is very, very good in a lot of areas, not elite in any, but is a true 2-way player. But perhaps the latter comment MAKES him elite. There are only a handful of 20+ scorers who are also good defenders. I also think Hayward could be in the top-10 in scoring average IF he were more selfish. He's 17th in scoring, but his shooting percentages of 45%/36% are comparable to (or better than) many of those above him.