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Which vets to extend in 2026 if they are still here

If there is no trade, which of these guys would you prefer to re-sign

  • Jordan Clarkson

    Votes: 1 3.0%

  • John Collins

    Votes: 13 39.4%

  • Collin Sexton

    Votes: 7 21.2%

  • Let them all walk

    Votes: 18 54.5%
  • Total voters
    33
HermanG

HermanG

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In recent discussions it seems like a pretty much foregone conclusion that we are trading all of these guys. However the premise of this thread is that we wont get any of those deals done for whatever reason, and we hit next offseason with all three of them.

So the question simply is, which one of our 2026 expiring vets would you keep if only options are "re-sign" or "let them walk". The assumption is that whoever we keep would take a reasonable deal that could be seen as team friendly just so that we dont get stuck on the "depends on the deal" question here.

Either select 1-3 keepers based on your preference or select the last option let them all walk.
 
The main logic why I wanted to make this thread is to see how many would just let all of them walk for nothing. Obviously if they are still here that is a detrimental sign of their trade value with their current deals at least, but is there some other motivating factors to keeping one or more of them? Could their next deal be easier to trade?

I personally juggled between "let them all walk" and keeping one of Sexton and Collins... and eventually decided John Collins brings professionalism, leadership and decent enough skillset to keep him for 3-4 years longer. I also think he is more likely to sign a MLE type of deal than Sexton, who is a consistent 20 PPG guy.
 
Collins brings the same skill set that Luka S does and he's out of the league. Sexton and Clarkson would be fine if they were playing for the league minimum, but they aren't.
 
If we traded Lauri I would be OK with keeping Collins around for quite a bit less than we are paying Lauri. I think he gets squeezed on his next contract and would probably remain good value.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I love Sexton, but it's time to let him finally play on a winning team. I wouldn't mind keeping Collins, but it just depends on the contract. It's definitely time to part ways with JC.
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The main idea with keeping Collins is as a play finisher/relief valve that I think is really nice for young players to play with. He also seems to be a good locker room guy/mentor, but I would want to be careful with that. He also provides entertainment during tanking season, which I think is valuable as well.
 
Sexton plays too much ISO and Hardy / Sexton doesn't work imo. I hate watching ISO over and over so pass with or without a favorable deal.

Clarkson needs to resurrect his career somewhere else as a 10th man on a playoff team who fills a roll and rises to the 6th man. So, pass on him for his sake. Plus the ISO thing above...

Collins was awesome this year. Incredibly efficient stats. He played a step ahead of his competition and played with a love for the game that was contagious. He regularly made the right play, stretched the floor, was a high flyer, sneaky under the rim player. He defaults to finding his own too, but he bought in to Hardy more than the others so I would keep him, especially on a great deal.
 
For 2024-2025, here's Collins's stats:

PPG: 19
RPG: 8.2
FT%: 84.8%
3PT%: 39.9%
Efficiency Differential: +12.3
+/-: 5.2

If Taylor Hendrick or any of the Jazz's younger players produced these stats, everyone here would be absolutely over the moon with ecstasy. Sure, Collins comes at a much higher price, but at $26 million, it's quite reasonable by today's standards. Granted, getting someone on a rookie contract with similar stats allows significantly greater roster building flexibility, but who on the current roster do you see who's likely to come close to this level of production?

Cue the inevitable gripes about Collins's defense-an evergreen complaint that is almost universally evoked to gripe about the large majority of NBA players not currently playing on OKC. Thus, who on the Jazz comes close to this production while also providing stellar defense?

It makes me wonder if sometimes we get too obsessed with and over value the shiny new things because we can sell ourselves hope while telling ourselves stories about their wonderful potential and fail to appreciate what we already have.

I think Collins can be a valuable contributor to a quality contending team. I'm on record with my concerns that denuding the Jazz of veteran talent will make it that much harder to pivot back to contention without unduly prolonging the tank while waiting for the youngsters to get up to speed. I don't want to wait another three years to enjoy entertaining, competitive basketball again.
 
I'd say keep Collins is the price is right, but if were going to continue to tank let him move on and play the young guys. I'm over JC and I'd like to see Sexton in a different role on a team competing for a title. I love his passion for the game but I don't think he'll ever fit into a Hardy system.
 
SoUjazzfan said:
I'd say keep Collins is the price is right, but if were going to continue to tank let him move on and play the young guys. I'm over JC and I'd like to see Sexton in a different role on a team competing for a title. I love his passion for the game but I don't think he'll ever fit into a Hardy system.
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Sexton has been in a FANTASTIC situation with the Jazz.

He would be a 20mpg, 7th guy in any other team.

Let's not pretend like he's been suffering here.
 
Clarkson is just done and it is time to go.

Collins would be fine to keep for $15-20M per season

Sexton is my favorite of the bunch and the most entertaining player on our team to watch the last couple years, but if we draft Tre, Fears, or VJ then it might be time to move on so the young guys get the minutes they need to develop.
 
default said:
Clarkson is just done and it is time to go.

Collins would be fine to keep for $15-20M per season

Sexton is my favorite of the bunch and the most entertaining player on our team to watch the last couple years, but if we draft Tre, Fears, or VJ then it might be time to move on so the young guys get the minutes they need to develop.
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I'm curious for anyone who has the time and/or interest in looking it up. How do Sexton's stats (box and advanced) compare to Garland's? They are both under-sized shoot-first point guards with limited defensive chops. Is Garland, a two-time all star, THAT much better? I wonder if the narrative on Sexton and Garland has become a bit disconnected from on-court performance.

Maybe it hasn't, though, and Garland is clearly superior. That's why I'm asking.

Once you get a rep in this league, fair or not, it's seems to be difficult to change it. (Much of the discourse is people parroting other people. As Yoda might say, "The group think is strong with this one." It's the safe play to go along with the crowd, unless you're Kendrick Perkins, in which case you get paid to say dumb shiite.
 
Schrödinger's Gerbil said:
I'm curious for anyone who has the time and/or interest in looking it up. How do Sexton's stats (box and advanced) compare to Garland's? They are both under-sized shoot-first point guards with limited defensive chops. Is Garland, a two-time all star, THAT much better? I wonder if the narrative on Sexton and Garland has become a bit disconnected from on-court performance.

Maybe it hasn't, though, and Garland is clearly superior. That's why I'm asking.

Once you get a rep in this league, fair or not, it's seems to be difficult to change it. (Much of the discourse is people parroting other people. As Yoda might say, "The group think is strong with this one." It's the safe play to go along with the crowd, unless you're Kendrick Perkins, in which case you get paid to say dumb shiite.
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Its tough to compare the advanced stats just because Garland plays on a great team with Mitchell and Mobley.

This season was Garland's best in his career by shooting %
47% FG
40% 3FG
60% TS
6.7 Assists/game
30 minutes/game

Compared to Sexton
48% FG
40% 3FG
59% TS
4.2 Assists/game
28 minutes/game

The boxscore shooting looks identical, Garland shoots more 3s, Sexton gets to the rim more and gets FTs. Like you said, I have doubts that Garland is worth twice of what Sexton is worth. Garland also gets injured a ton and falls off in the playoffs a bit.
Garland is the better passer but also has better players to pass to. Sexton has Lauri and Collins but also Keyonte and Collier to pass to. But Sexton always was a bit worse at passing than Garland.

By the stats, Garland is probably marginally better but has injury and playoff issues. Maybe someone can throw up some Advanced stats to prove this assertion wrong.
 
Basketball Novice said:
Its tough to compare the advanced stats just because Garland plays on a great team with Mitchell and Mobley.

This season was Garland's best in his career by shooting %
47% FG
40% 3FG
60% TS
6.7 Assists/game
30 minutes/game

Compared to Sexton
48% FG
40% 3FG
59% TS
4.2 Assists/game
28 minutes/game

The boxscore shooting looks identical, Garland shoots more 3s, Sexton gets to the rim more and gets FTs. Like you said, I have doubts that Garland is worth twice of what Sexton is worth. Garland also gets injured a ton and falls off in the playoffs a bit.
Garland is the better passer but also has better players to pass to. Sexton has Lauri and Collins but also Keyonte and Collier to pass to. But Sexton always was a bit worse at passing than Garland.

By the stats, Garland is probably marginally better but has injury and playoff issues. Maybe someone can throw up some Advanced stats to prove this assertion wrong.
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I suspect that part of what's happening is narrative stickiness. Sexton was thrust out of the gate into the lead dog on a bad Cavaliers team. The result was entirely predictable, high usage and inefficient scoring. Unfortunately for him, that has stuck, and it now defines him. Clearly, Cleveland saw more of what it liked in Garland, which is why they shipped Sexton out and kept Garland. Garland, in turn, has benefited from the halo effect of playing with superior talent on a winning team where he hasn't had to play lead dog role.

It will not surprise me if Cleveland moves on from Garland. He's hit his ceiling, and it's not lifting the rest of the team.
 
Schrödinger's Gerbil said:
I suspect that part of what's happening is narrative stickiness. Sexton was thrust out of the gate into the lead dog on a bad Cavaliers team. The result was entirely predictable, high usage and inefficient scoring. Unfortunately for him, that has stuck, and it now defines him. Clearly, Cleveland saw more of what it liked in Garland, which is why they shipped Sexton out and kept Garland. Garland, in turn, has benefited from the halo effect of playing with superior talent on a winning team where he hasn't had to play lead dog role.

It will not surprise me if Cleveland moves on from Garland. He's hit his ceiling, and it's not lifting the rest of the team.
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If anyone thinks sexton is still an inefficient scorer then they crazy.
 
fishonjazz said:
If anyone thinks sexton is still an inefficient scorer then they crazy.
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As always, the point is that Sexton can be a dynamic scorer, and even reasonably efficient... if he's on a short leash and has a well defined role.

Give him too much freedom and he gets a head full of steam, forgets that he has teammates and starts going 1-on-4. That's just who he is and teams know it.

The problem is that I suspect Collin doesn't see himself as a bench scorer with a limited role. Certainly not after he's pretty much had free rein in Utah.

That makes trading him very difficult. He won't start anywhere.
 
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