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Who are the 10 greatest NBA Players of all Time?

fishonjazz said:
He did take a team full of garbage to the finals though and I think (not positive) he even won a season mvp award.
Both of those things are impressive not matter how over-rated you think he is.

Marbury could never come close to either of those accomplishments
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Winning an mvp award would be the very definition of overrated if you aren't very good. It is, after all, nothing but a rating. Kind of crazy to hold his highest rating up as evidence that he wasn't overrated.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
That's a stupid assessment and u know it. Don't be a damned idiot


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The guys in my post above that were all also the best players on their teams with the exception of Stockton. None of them shot as bad as Iverson. BTW I always considered him a ball hog and a chucker, and fully believe that if he had been smart enough to play with his teammates he would have been a better player.
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So it may have been blunt and it may be a little bit of hyperbole, but it is far from stupid. The excuse that he was the center of attention does not hold water when comparing him to other players in the same situation who did actually play as part of a team instead of a one man show.
 
fishonjazz said:
He did take a team full of garbage to the finals though and I think (not positive) he even won a season mvp award.
Both of those things are impressive not matter how over-rated you think he is.

Marbury could never come close to either of those accomplishments
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Stats wise Iverson was far closer to Marbury than any other player on my list, however Marbury also had multiple season's where he shot better than Iverson ever did. And he also averaged 2-3 more assists per game than Iverson ever did in most seasons.
 
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King Cy said:
I tend to agree, but with how good at shooting everyone in the league is becoming, it is plausible if the right player lands in the right situation.

Where as in baseball, the trend is becoming less power hitters because of the stricter doping rules.

Also Lance Armstrong's records.

But as far as non-drug induced records, Stockton takes the cake. Jack Nicklaus is pretty close though. Tiger got close, but he fell off hard. It's hard to see anyone coming close again soon.
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Lance Armstrong beat the previous total for TdF victories by one. He didn't obliterate anything. By any other cycling measure, even if you don't consider the fact that he was stripped of all of his TdF victories, he is nowhere close to the best cyclist of all time. Eddy Merckx is the greatest cyclist of all time in a landslide.
 
gregbroncs said:
he shot 42% his MVP season. His highest FG% in his career was 43.7%. Just for reference Stockton never shot close to that bad in his career, Reggie Miller never shot worse than Iverson's best year, Neither did Magic Johnson. 2 PG's and a shooter, none of them ever shot as bad as Iverson did in his best year. He had the ball for 90% of the time his team did and to only average less than 5 Assists in an MVP season when you don't shoot well is a joke.
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I'm having a hard time finding a good player that shot worse than Iverson. None of Bird, Kobe, Hornacek, or Isiah Thomas. Steve Nash and Billups were worse in a few season's but better than Iverson's best in most of their years. Nash had 2 season worse than Iverson's best one being his last season.
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There are a lot of excuses for his poor shooting but in the end he was an inefficient player who is the most over rated in NBA history. He had a decent average of assists but not when you consider he dominated the ball, in that context his assist average is pathetically low. Even Kobe Bryant another guy I consider to be a ball hog who also dominated the ball averaged more APG than Iverson most of his career.
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Iverson got to the line a ton though, so that low shooting percentage is skewed.

And stock should have scored more. It would have been better for the team. Not saying he was padding hus assists, but I'm not saying he wasn't padding his assists either. He could've been steph curry before steph curry. His shot was pretty damn good.
 
b_line said:
Iverson got to the line a ton though, so that low shooting percentage is skewed.

And stock should have scored more. It would have been better for the team. Not saying he was padding hus assists, but I'm not saying he wasn't padding his assists either. He could've been steph curry before steph curry. His shot was pretty damn good.
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When you are fouled the shot doesn't count. Not sure how going to the line skews your shooting %. Also a lot of other guys I looked up go to the line a lot and none of them had that low of %.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Winning an mvp award would be the very definition of overrated if you aren't very good. It is, after all, nothing but a rating. Kind of crazy to hold his highest rating up as evidence that he wasn't overrated.
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Give me a list of all the mvp winners who were not very good
 
gregbroncs said:
The guys in my post above that were all also the best players on their teams with the exception of Stockton. None of them shot as bad as Iverson. BTW I always considered him a ball hog and a chucker, and fully believe that if he had been smart enough to play with his teammates he would have been a better player.
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So it may have been blunt and it may be a little bit of hyperbole, but it is far from stupid. The excuse that he was the center of attention does not hold water when comparing him to other players in the same situation who did actually play as part of a team instead of a one man show.
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The next best player on that 76ers team was Booker skilled. In fact u might say that was a team full of Booker's with Iverson. I'm pretty sure the coach wasn't in Iverson's ear telling him to shoot less.

The fact that that team made the finals is a credit to how great Iverson was. Dude never took a night off and pound for pound, maybe the toughest player ever to put on an nba uniform. Iverson was physically beat up like no other player ever was night in night out and he just kept bringing it every night as hard as the last. He was there entire inside and outside offense.

He may have had his issues, but not during game time.


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Thee jazz fan said:
The next best player on that 76ers team was Booker skilled. In fact u might say that was a team full of Booker's with Iverson. I'm pretty sure the coach wasn't in Iverson's ear telling him to shoot less.

The fact that that team made the finals is a credit to how great Iverson was. Dude never took a night off and pound for pound, maybe the toughest player ever to put on an nba uniform. Iverson was physically beat up like no other player ever was night in night out and he just kept bringing it every night as hard as the last. He was there entire inside and outside offense.

He may have had his issues, but not during game time.


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Hornacek played with Iverson, nobody knew how good Hornacek was till he got off of his team. Other good players played with him as well. Nobody wanted to play on his team because he controlled the ball and was selfish with it. That team made the finals and lost because the rest of the East was trash at that time. He was good not great, he was tough I'll never say he wasn't, He was their entire offense because he chose to be there entire offense and nobody wanted to be on his team because of it. His %'s don't lie about his efficiency, he was bad.
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My general point is that no way in hell Allen Iverson is a top 10 NBA player, not even close to it. Hell I'd take 10-15 guys currently playing in the NBA before Iverson when starting a team.
 
I'm convinced. Iverson is not as good as the other guys.


One thing that I will about Iverson though, is that he changed a lot about the culture in the league, and probably for worse.
 
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