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Who will have the better record this season...BYU or Utah?

Whoos U got?

  • BYU

    Votes: 12 52.2%

  • Utah

    Votes: 6 26.1%

  • Doesnt matter...cant compare the schedules or records

    Votes: 5 21.7%
  • Total voters
    23
Utah has the better record. I think people are vastly over-rating BYU. Heaps has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Throw in that BYU dominated the same teams Utah dominated. Then look at BYU's schedule. There are some patsies in there, but there are some really tough games as well.

- Ole Miss - This is still an SEC team, with speed. Throw in that it will be 90 degree weather with 100% humidity, and that is a huge advantage for Ole Miss.

- Texas - They have better athletes, and a much, much better OC (Boise's OC). I don't think BYU's offense will be able to handle the athletes on Texas's defense, and their defense gets destroyed by Texas's offense.

- Utah - Toss up game, usually the home team wins, but again, if BYU is coming off two loses when they thought they were going undefeated....

- UCF - BYU should win, but they should have beat FSU a couple years ago as well. BYU always struggles with speedy FL teams

- Oregon St - again, BYU should win, but on the road, always a tough team, and if BYU has 2-3 loses, may not be properly motivated for game

- TCU in Texas - One of the best teams in the country the last 3-4 years. Enough said

- Hawaii in Hawaii - BYU always struggles in Hawaii. Especially if they have 3, 4, 5 loses at this point.

I could easily see BYU going 8-4, 9-3, but if they lose badly those first couple of games, I could easily see them going 6-6.

p.s. I feel the same way for Utah.
 
After listening to Bronco and co on their media day, I think they are vastly, vastly over-rating themselves. One of the best front 7's on defense in the country? One of the top OC's in the nation? Heaps is the next Jimmer? BCS and National Championship talk? Those are very high standards, and impossible to live up to. I don't think they stand a chance against Texas, so what happens when they lose all of those goals the second week of the season?

BYU constantly over-rates themselves, and then loses games they have no business losing due to that. Heck, even Heaps said the BYU players were acting like they had won the game against Utah, when there was still one play left in the game. I will be shocked if BYU even gets close to any of their goals this year.
 
Alright, so far I have BeanClown, Bronco, and JM12 scheduled to give me money. Anyone else want in on this action?
 
green said:
- Ole Miss - This is still an SEC team, with speed. Throw in that it will be 90 degree weather with 100% humidity, and that is a huge advantage for Ole Miss.
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You can already predict it's going to be raining on September 3rd? Quick, when will it first snow this winter?
 
Green Wrote:
After listening to Bronco and co on their media day, I think they are vastly, vastly over-rating themselves. One of the best front 7's on defense in the country? One of the top OC's in the nation? Heaps is the next Jimmer? BCS and National Championship talk? Those are very high standards, and impossible to live up to. I don't think they stand a chance against Texas, so what happens when they lose all of those goals the second week of the season?
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The thing I really like about Coach Whit is that he seems to be a bit more measured with his offseason optimism on a yearly basis. Bronco and his coaches are pretty much the opposite. If you go back and look at Bronco's quotes during each and every spring ball and fall camp you'll find that it's usually the same stuff over and over again. Not that his positivity is not a good thing, but just 12 months ago he was in the middle of badly mishandling a QB situation and trying to sell it to the media and Cougar fans as a good thing.

There's the glass half full type, the glass half empty type and then there's Bronco. His cup overfloweth- Always.
 
catratcho said:
You can already predict it's going to be raining on September 3rd? Quick, when will it first snow this winter?
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Actually that means that the dew point is the same as the temperature if the relative humidity is 100%. So in this case, dew (condensation) would form at 90 degrees. It would appear that everything is wet even without any noticeable precipitation. This would be almost certainly fatal circumstances for someone with moderate to severe asthma.

If the temperature were 100 degrees with 100% relative humidity then condensation would form inside the lungs, as the dew point would be over the body's core temperature of roughly 98 degrees.

(there is more to it than that obviously, such as air pressure, but the dew point is approximately the same as the air temperature if relative humidity is at 100%)
 
Maybe this will get it back on track:

When Utah initially got the Pac 12 invite, and BYU went Indepenent a week or so later, my first thought was that the rivalry needed to be maintained at all costs. Now, I'm not so sure, and I'm willing to bet we see the day in not so distant future when these two schools don't play each other on a yearly basis.

Thoughts?
 
jazzman12 said:
Maybe this will get it back on track:

When Utah initially got the Pac 12 invite, and BYU went Indepenent a week or so later, my first thought was that the rivalry needed to be maintained at all costs. Now, I'm not so sure, and I'm willing to bet we see the day in not so distant future when these two schools don't play each other on a yearly basis.

Thoughts?
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I like turtles.
 
Difficult....

I could see both having some good seasons.

Or I could see them both kinda bombing.

Wynn is scary crappy and Chinaman is very overrated IMO. And no, I'm not trying to provoke a reaction here. Disagree w/me all you want, but he gets credit for USC, when Lassie the Dog could have coached the best offense there. He was under heavy pressure at BYU (many grumblings to get rid of him under Lavell. He would have been shoved out the door had he not done so much school work for Lavell and became so loyal to him), he sucked in Tennessee, and never got anything going at UCLA. I think this latest job with the U might finally expose him for what he is... He'll retire in a few years and Utah will hopefully get themselves a real OC.

Having said that, Utah has some great athletes and if they return to their more aggressive and blitzing defense, they'll be fine. I could see them upsetting (not sure if you can call this an upset) USC. But I could also see them laying an egg against a few teams (like they did against Notre Dame last year). Oct 22 at Cali is a trap game in my opinion. The week before they'll face a decent opponent on the road in Pitt. @ Cal should be a no brainer W for the Utes since Cal sucks. But I could easily see them having a let down after a Big East road game.

BYU, same case. There's a lot of unknowns out there. I think many expect Heaps to rule. I think there might be a learning curve with the new offense and developing receiving core. Heaps, no matter how good he is, still needs targets to throw to (and time to get the ball to them). I think O-line must be a concern. BYU is going to play some pretty athletic defenses. All it takes is one of BYU's fat slow white offensive linemen to whiff and Heaps might miss some time. If he goes down, BYU's offense might revert to what it looked like half of last year (gross).

I see BYU beating Texas, actually. I just feel like they've had that game circled for a while, just like the game against OU. We'll soon see....

But I could easily see them losing losing to Central Florida (an athletic team) after a big game against the Utes.

I feel like BYU (if Heaps is heathy) will beat Utah this year in Provo. I think the rivalry will actually be better than usual... Utah will feel pressure to punk BYU. While BYU will want to plaster one of those "spoiled rich kid BCS evil empire teams." By going independent, BYU has even more pressure to prove that they can compete with BCS teams. So I think this will actually increase the intensity of this game for both teams...

I also feel like last year gave BYU a lot of hope... And also gives them more of an edge to win this year since they feel like they left unfinished business on the table in salt lake.

8-4 seems reasonable for the Utes.
9-3 for BYU.

If Utah's offense can become decent and their defense more aggressive, then Utah will definitely have the better team.
If BYU's defense can just disrupt things with Bronco's aggressive style and their receiving core develop, then I think BYU will have the edge as the better team.

Both have outstanding futures IMO. I think once Utah finally gets a real QB in the next few years, and a longer term fix at OC, they'll be back to competing for a BCS bowl game and perhaps national championship.
If BYU can impress in the next few years under the Heaps regime, perhaps they'll gather the attention of the Big 12 and get into a real conference.
 
jazzman12 said:
Maybe this will get it back on track:

When Utah initially got the Pac 12 invite, and BYU went Indepenent a week or so later, my first thought was that the rivalry needed to be maintained at all costs. Now, I'm not so sure, and I'm willing to bet we see the day in not so distant future when these two schools don't play each other on a yearly basis.

Thoughts?
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Don't be fatuous.
 
I actually like Jordan Wynn. I was pissed at him last season for being a wuss, but then I found out he was playing injured.

I think he'll be fine this year. I just hope he gets healthy in time to learn the new offense and mesh with the new coaches and team.
 
Glad to see some Ute fans chirpin still. Represent! All the ones I know STFU about this stuff. :lmao:
 
The Thriller said:
8-4 seems reasonable for the Utes.
9-3 for BYU.
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Seems reasonable.

But BYU *might* get to 10-2 for BYU because of the schedule. Don't see any way that the Utes could do better than 8-4, though--if I were a Ute fan I'd be ecstatic with 8-4. And they might only be 7-5.

My final vote: BYU will have 9.5 wins and Utah will have 7.5 wins. :D
 
colton said:
Seems reasonable.

But BYU *might* get to 10-2 for BYU because of the schedule. Don't see any way that the Utes could do better than 8-4, though--if I were a Ute fan I'd be ecstatic with 8-4. And they might only be 7-5.

My final vote: BYU will have 9.5 wins and Utah will have 7.5 wins. :D
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If Utah finishes 7-5 (with no major injuries) then someone should be fired.

This is a 2 or 3 loss team, tops, and probably less than that if they can stay healthy.
 
SaltyDawg said:
If Utah finishes 7-5 (with no major injuries) then someone should be fired.

This is a 2 or 3 loss team, tops, and probably less than that if they can stay healthy.
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2 or 3 loss team, tops? I wish I could share your optimism. Usually a team rebuilding it's entire secondary from top to bottom while also having serious question marks at the QB position is not a 2 or 3 loss team.

Hope I'm wrong..............
 
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