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Who will you vote for?(Lee/McMullin)

Who will you vote for in November

  • McMullin

    Votes: 13 39.4%

  • Lee

    Votes: 8 24.2%

  • Don’t live in Utah so can’t vote

    Votes: 12 36.4%
  • Total voters
    33
Al-O-Meter said:
The American Democrat National Party
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When you use "Democrat" as an adjective, you're already marking yourself as a member of the Get the Libs caucus.


Al-O-Meter said:
isn't the only party in the world to engage in reckless quantitative easing but they are the party in America who has done it.
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Every Republican (or, should I say Repub to imitate you?) administration in my lifetime has inflated the money supply, and to an overall degree much more than the Democratic administrations.

This recession was predicted back in 2019 as the result of tariffs and the bond curve inverting. Trump's spending in 2020 delayed it. The inflation was predicted back in 2020. The timing worked out well for Republicans.
 
I'd be inclined to agree that the economy is the #1 issue on most voters minds this year. Pure math alone for redistricting would suggest the R's will take the house while the senate will remain close, but I do see the D's picking up a seat or two.

Get ready for two years of pointing fingers while everyone positions for 2024 - can't wait.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
The American Democrat National Party isn't the only party in the world to engage in reckless quantitative easing but they are the party in America who has done it. All you are proving with your list of international evidence is how wrongheaded those policies where. It is a thing the American voters already know and why the issues of the economy and fighting inflation are seen as favoring Republicans in the upcoming election. You'd have to be a complete moron to want more of the economic policies still being pushed by Democrats.

You do understand the student loan bailout isn't free, right? The quantitative easing to pay for it is inflationary. You, me, and everyone else will pay for those student loans with higher inflation and a worse economy because that is how quantitative easing works. If democrats cannot get that through their skulls and think free money to buy votes is endless then it is time to get some fiscally responsible adults in a position to stop the bleeding.
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The federal government is in DEBT specifically because A LOT has in actuality been free. I get we do this whole “it’s not actually free” routine…but the federal government has a debt it will never pay off that spends trillions of dollars more than it taxes you….YES….some things are in all reality “free” and paid for by the government. I’m not saying I agree with every spending bill, but they’re taxing citizens at trillions less than they spend…hence the debt…..so yes, some things you, I, and no one but the government has ever paid for.
 
oneye said:
The federal government is in DEBT specifically because A LOT has in actuality been free. I get we do this whole “it’s not actually free” routine…but the federal government has a debt it will never pay off that spends trillions of dollars more than it taxes you….YES….some things are in all reality “free” and paid for by the government. I’m not saying I agree with every spending bill, but they’re taxing citizens at trillions less than they spend…hence the debt…..so yes, some things you, I, and no one but the government has ever paid for.
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Anyone who wants to talk about government spending either needs to start and end with military spending or shut their stupid ****ing idiot piece of **** mouth. If you're cool with military spending then you don't give a **** about spending, the debt, or any other money issue connected to our tax burden.

We could adjust our military spending and pay for every poor child to have housing, food and secondary education. We could pay to house every single homeless person. We could pay for universal health care. Nope, we choose to have massive super OP uber military instead of all of those things.
 
Gameface said:
Anyone who wants to talk about government spending either needs to start and end with military spending or shut their stupid ****ing idiot piece of **** mouth. If you're cool with military spending then you don't give a **** about spending, the debt, or any other money issue connected to our tax burden.

We could adjust our military spending and pay for every poor child to have housing, food and secondary education. We could pay to house every single homeless person. We could pay for universal health care. Nope, we choose to have massive super OP uber military instead of all of those things.
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The government outspends what it taxes by…..um…..trillions…..quite frankly…..there’s A LOT of free spending that will absolutely never be “paid back”. The governments always going to spend, citizens may as well benefit.
 
I’ve yet to see anyone whining about the current debt do so while a Republican is president. Like where were these debt hawks while Trump was in office? And why aren’t we debating repealing the Trump tax cuts? We knew back in 2017 when the CBO scored it that it would add trillions of debt. So why not repeal it now if debt is so scary and bad?

At some point, we need to look at increasing federal revenue, not just cut spending.
 
The Thriller said:
Who was the dumbass running things between 2017-2019 (pre covid)?

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The earlier, and smaller 2017-2018 numbers were Paul Ryan. The "dumbass" running the 2019 numbers was Nancy Pelosi. She is a democrat and she is still there running the part of our government that has the "power of the purse". If you think Nancy's spending spree in 2019 was bad, you should look at the recent numbers where Joe Biden not only signed off on Pelosi's spending but also unconstitutionally added additional unfunded liability on top of it by decreeing spending into existence via executive order. Between Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden, they have well and truly put the American economy in a bad spot in a shockingly short amount of time. Both need to go.
 
Gameface said:
Anyone who wants to talk about government spending either needs to start and end with military spending or shut their stupid ****ing idiot piece of **** mouth. If you're cool with military spending then you don't give a **** about spending, the debt, or any other money issue connected to our tax burden.

We could adjust our military spending and pay for every poor child to have housing, food and secondary education. We could pay to house every single homeless person. We could pay for universal health care. Nope, we choose to have massive super OP uber military instead of all of those things.
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Anyone saying this talking from their butt. Only 13% of our federal budget goes to military spending. By comparison, the federal government already spends double that on health care. You could zero out all military spending entirely, which would be incredibly stupid, and it still wouldn't cover a single thing on your list. Try looking at actual numbers before repeating some nonsense someone told you.
 
I think everyone can agree that we need to significantly cut down on the money being spent on these elections. Give every campaign $1 million and limit their ads to 1 per day during time tv and 1 per day on YouTube. Currently, you can’t go more than 10 seconds without being bombarded by another sleazy ad from this campaign for senate. Every timeout during the last jazz game seemed to feature an anti-Lee/McMullin ad. They never talk about what they’re for, just what they’re against.

End this campaign season already. I don’t need to see ads everyday.
 
The Thriller said:
I think everyone can agree that we need to significantly cut down on the money being spent on these elections. Give every campaign $1 million and limit their ads to 1 per day during time tv and 1 per day on YouTube. Currently, you can’t go more than 10 seconds without being bombarded by another sleazy ad from this campaign for senate. Every timeout during the last jazz game seemed to feature an anti-Lee/McMullin ad. They never talk about what they’re for, just what they’re against.

End this campaign season already. I don’t need to see ads everyday.
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I’m in Florida and “cut the cord” with YouTube TV(if that really is cutting). It is not that bad this year for political ads. It could be because of the matchups here compared to the one in Utah. I’m in Hillsborough County which leans Democrat but I honestly haven’t seen that many Crist or Demmings ads. I only watch sports, Archer and Sunny so maybe I’m not their target market.

I actually like your idea of having a cap on political spending. It would cut out a ton of lazy wasted ad spend and make the campaigns more strategic in how to reach voters and get them out to vote. This would also help with cronyism within the campaign.
 
Wife and I mailed in our ballots today
 
Gameface said:
I dropped ours off at a drop box yesterday.

I don't really like McMullin's chances but it would be fantastic if a Jan. 6th co-conspirators lost their job in out government.
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Honestly, a Jan 6th co-conspirator shouldn't even be allowed to have the job.
 
I get a few unsolicited texts every days sending me scarry messages about how evil McMullin is and how electing him would essentially end the world as we know it.

I sort my mail at the mailbox when I pick it up every couple of weeks or so and don't actually look at any of the ads of any kind including political mailers but I do see that Lee and friends are sending out negative crap at like a 10 to 1 ratio to McMullin.

I don't know what I'm doing right, obviously living right on and off the field, but I haven't seen a political TV commercial in like 12 years.
 
Gameface said:
I get a few unsolicited texts every days sending me scarry messages about how evil McMullin is and how electing him would essentially end the world as we know it.

I sort my mail at the mailbox when I pick it up every couple of weeks or so and don't actually look at any of the ads of any kind including political mailers but I do see that Lee and friends are sending out negative crap at like a 10 to 1 ratio to McMullin.

I don't know what I'm doing right, obviously living right on and off the field, but I haven't seen a political TV commercial in like 12 years.
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Its crazy how often I see posts on social media about how Biden is destroying america. Grow a pair people. Gas prices are high. Inflation is high. These things have both happened before. Biden sucks but he isn't destroying the country.
FWIW as much as I hated trump I never thought that he was destroying the country.
 
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