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I say the destruction of the Jazz as we knew it at the end of last season was very poor player management. In part we have to blame KOC, but I put the blame more on Greg Miller whose fiscal issues caused us to trade Maynor and Brewer, and let Korver and Matthews walk, replacing them with a washed up Bell. Imagine if we had kept those players? DWill would not have been disgruntled. There would not have been the Jerry blow up. And we would today be in the thick of the playoff hunt.

Now we may be the worse team in the NBA.
 
Okur13 said:
Both KOC and Greg. Both are both completely clueless on how to run a basketball team.
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They both did not have the cajones to ask Sloan to retire, so they could get Tom Thibodeau to coach the Jazz. Back when everyone on here said oh but who could we hire if Sloan leaves, I said we should hire Thibodeau. Just that one decision could have prevented most if not all this crap.
 
I have to blame the front office including ownership. If anyone would have told me that a front office would have made these moves I would have laughed them out of the building.

1. Re-sign an aging, injury prone, obviously none championship type center to large deal
2. Replace Boozer with AJ (at roughly the same price)
3. Let Korver and Mathews Walk and replace with Raja Bell
4. Trade Deron for Devin Harris and an benched Rookie
5. Trade Brewer and Manyor for cap savings
6. Keep AK on a team at 17 Mil a year after having multiple other teams make offers for him.
7. Push out a HOF coach
8. Play CJ Miles consistant mins
9. Not finding a 2 guard that could shoot
10.No motivation for current players. Letting Heartless players stick around.
 
While I agree with jazzrule and also said over a year ago that Sloan needed to be fired and Thibodeau hired, the problem's bigger than that. It comes back to money and culture and SLC can't even come close to competing against the likes of LA, NY, Chicago, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, when push comes to shove.
 
GoJazz said:
I have to blame the front office including ownership. If anyone would have told me that a front office would have made these moves I would have laughed them out of the building.

1. Re-sign an aging, injury prone, obviously none championship type center to large deal
2. Replace Boozer with AJ (at roughly the same price)
3. Let Korver and Mathews Walk and replace with Raja Bell
4. Trade Deron for Devin Harris and an benched Rookie
5. Trade Brewer and Manyor for cap savings
6. Keep AK on a team at 17 Mil a year after having multiple other teams make offers for him.
7. Push out a HOF coach
8. Play CJ Miles consistant mins
9. Not finding a 2 guard that could shoot
10.No motivation for current players. Letting Heartless players stick around.
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1. Okur was not injury-prone prior to being re-signed.
2. Replace? It's not so black and white. Boozer had made his bed. And so had we with him.
3. Um, the dollar amounts on the former two is about triple what Bell's getting annually.
4. True, we should have waited 'til the last moment like Denver who go oh so much for Carmello.
5. The Maynor deal made sense. The Brewer too in many ways though that was the beginning of the end imo so in some ways, I agree with you there.
6. Agreed, though I'm not sure "multiple" teams made offers for him.
7. We should have done it earlier.
8. At his price tag and a look at our other options on the bench, it's tough not to.
9. We had one, except that's about all he could do.
10. True. Don't worry though. We'll foolishly re-sign AK, excuse me overpay to retain AK's services, by offering him a 3 year, 25M deal. Just watch.
 
KeK I don't really disagree with your assessment of my assessment. In my opinion what has really killed the Jazz is Ak's contract. He has made it nearly impossible to sign or keep quality players. Even though I feel the Marion deal was a short term loss for the Jazz the long term gain would have heavily outweighed it.
 
write4u said:
I say the destruction of the Jazz as we knew it at the end of last season was very poor player management. In part we have to blame KOC, but I put the blame more on Greg Miller whose fiscal issues caused us to trade Maynor and Brewer, and let Korver and Matthews walk, replacing them with a washed up Bell. Imagine if we had kept those players? DWill would not have been disgruntled. There would not have been the Jerry blow up. And we would today be in the thick of the playoff hunt. Now we may be the worse team in the NBA.
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Omg! Why hasn't everyone else on this board thought of this? Oh wait....they have and there have been a trillion threads about this very topic.
 
GoJazz said:
KeK I don't really disagree with your assessment of my assessment. In my opinion what has really killed the Jazz is Ak's contract. He has made it nearly impossible to sign or keep quality players. Even though I feel the Marion deal was a short term loss for the Jazz the long term gain would have heavily outweighed it.
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I agree. But it seems our organization's M.O. is to stay competitive and had we traded AK, we would have then spent the freed up money on someone else. Not prudently mind you. We would not have kept the cap space until the right time for the right player or re-signed a no-brainer like Wes. We would have wasted it. IMO of course.
 
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The jazz stuck loyally by him for 23 years. When managment felt they needed to do something different from his ideas, he left.
 
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He Killed the Sonics, then came back to destroy the Jazz. The Jazz financial woes started when Locke convinced Larry that the team needed a 3pt shooter to compete for a championship--thus the Korver trade.
 
mellow said:
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He Killed the Sonics, then came back to destroy the Jazz. The Jazz financial woes started when Locke convinced Larry that the team needed a 3pt shooter to compete for a championship--thus the Korver trade.
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Locke killed the Sonics? Enlighten us all please.
 
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These two are blammed for most everything else, so the must have had a hand in the jazz destruction.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
1. Okur was not injury-prone prior to being re-signed.
2. Replace? It's not so black and white. Boozer had made his bed. And so had we with him.
3. Um, the dollar amounts on the former two is about triple what Bell's getting annually.
4. True, we should have waited 'til the last moment like Denver who go oh so much for Carmello.
5. The Maynor deal made sense. The Brewer too in many ways though that was the beginning of the end imo so in some ways, I agree with you there.
6. Agreed, though I'm not sure "multiple" teams made offers for him.
7. We should have done it earlier.
8. At his price tag and a look at our other options on the bench, it's tough not to.
9. We had one, except that's about all he could do.
10. True. Don't worry though. We'll foolishly re-sign AK, excuse me overpay to retain AK's services, by offering him a 3 year, 25M deal. Just watch.
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This.
 
Everyone talks about how we should've hired Tom Thibodeau as if he were sitting by his phone anxiously awaiting a call from the Jazz. Was there any indication that he was even interested?
 
akirac73 said:
Everyone talks about how we should've hired Tom Thibodeau as if he were sitting by his phone anxiously awaiting a call from the Jazz. Was there any indication that he was even interested?
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Clearly. Just like the Pacers wanted to give us Foster for Fes, Koufos, and a second round pick.
 
akirac73 said:
Everyone talks about how we should've hired Tom Thibodeau as if he were sitting by his phone anxiously awaiting a call from the Jazz. Was there any indication that he was even interested?
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Don' be dumb. Tell me what NBA ASSISTANT coach that would not have been interested in coaching the Jazz back then, when we had D'Will at point guard.
 
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