I see you trying to change the subject.
But yes I did. **** happens. Like your personas getting found out Troutbum.
Whose Gaffe is worth?
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I see you trying to change the subject.
But yes I did. **** happens. Like your personas getting found out Troutbum.
Thanks for ruining the northeast experience for me Stoked. Now true or not I'll keep thinking it's Trout anytime northeast posts anything.
Don't get mad at me that you messed up and ruined your own persona Troutbum.
Because it is. Trout himself let the cat out of the bag for a few of us. I do not feel bad in any way. If I see something I do not like I will speak up.
You are replying in one of your multiple personas as usual trout.
The answer, as always, is that I'm a lying idiot. Whatever it is that you want me to be. As a younger man I would have gone on and on about all the ways I'm objectively smarter than you. I don't have the energy for that anymore nor would it prove anything to you. Instead I'm relatively content to let you demonstrate that you're just being a jerk for no reason.
My comment says nothing about the actual composition of the 47%, but about his belief of who composes the 47%. That's the gist of his little spiel, that there's a group of people who will always vote for Obama because they think they're victims and blah blah blah. I thought it was an honest moment about what he actually thinks. I don't think he's objectively correct about which demos are solidly democratic, but he revaled that he believes they're all lazy so and sos. Furthermore, I don't think it's a stretch to say that's new information.
I considered that angle, but isn't it disingenuous to be complimenting Mitt's honesty when you know that what he believes is not true? This puts him in the same light as McCain in your example IMO. Besides which, I think he knew that what he was saying was BS, but he was just catering to his audience, which just makes him dishonest.
Did I compliment him? It was a very clear version of what he'd been saying between the lines all along. All I'm saying is that it's hardly a gaffe if it's something everyone already knew about him. I've known for months that a vote for Mitt Romney was a vote for that kind of vision of the world.
Disagree. For at least a decade prior to 2008 McCain's signature issues were campaign finance reform and pork barrel spending. CFR wasn't an issue and he made many of his economic arguments about budget overages. The moment I'm discussing was when it became apparent that all he had was a hammer and every economic problem was a nail. That was a startling revelation about his limitations in my eyes. It didn't get as much play because it's not as inflammatory, but it was also substantially newer information than what we've gotten out of Romney.
Considering you've called me a liar in this very thread you'll excuse me if I'm not that impressed with your definition of dishonesty.
One thing I learned dealing for 10+ years with people who were primarily privately educated was that your worldview about who and what the lower financial classes are can come out kind of skewed simply because you've never been forcibly exposed to them. Ol' Willard is definitely someone who has that lifestyle issue and gets a healthy dose of echo chamber effects simply because of how he's been continuously running for the last 6+ years. I wouldn't make any assumptions about things he "actually knows" vs. what he says. That particular misrepresentation he repeated has been making the rounds for quite some time.
Don't be so sure just yet. Romney hasn't even started attacking Obama with his war chest. It should be pretty easy to rip completely through Obama during the debates as well. That's Romney's ace in the hole and he already has his responses prepared.
He should be able to convince Florida seniors that Obama is trying to destroy their safety net by creating a gigantic welfare class of people who used to be the workers providing the income necessary for their transfer payments. Meanwhile, his Veep has been working tirelessly to make the system solvent so they can continue receiving 100% of their current benefit but Obama and his democratic senate have blocked every Paul Ryan attempt to put the necessary protections in place for these old folks.
He should also take a page out of Reagan's FDR folder by continuously hammering on Obama's preference for welfare, payable by cutting higher education funding and welfare to work programs. He needs to outline a plan of $20 billion or so that will be set aside for the specific purpose of helping hard working Americans currently down on their luck obtain the necessary job skills to fill all the manufacturing jobs that are currently going unfilled due to lack of skilled workers. Once again, Obama turned his back on labor by choosing a welfare state over bettering America.
Bottom line is Romney knows beating an incumbent isn't an easy thing to do so he's not going to waste his bullets early. His campaign is just now gearing up for the dog fight. The last 12 months were nothing but warmups.
Obama's gaffe does bother me also. He's the dam President, his people put him in. He should be using his position and resources to provide leadership and intelligence, not asking for uninformed masses to do his thinking for him, or worrying more about finding compromise between the 2 parties instead of focusing on what is the best course of action.
I strongly agree with Franklin* on this point.
As far as this election goes you have not seen anything yet. Romney is already spending more starting this month then he has yet. In some places doubling his ad buys. He is starting to do more campaign events every day (3-4 from reports).
From now to the election is going to be a very ugly, very loud race. Either way I think it will be close.
As far as this election goes you have not seen anything yet. Romney is already spending more starting this month then he has yet. In some places doubling his ad buys. He is starting to do more campaign events every day (3-4 from reports).
From now to the election is going to be a very ugly, very loud race. Either way I think it will be close.
kicky, I have not seen you address this point.
I am still not clear if you believe that the 47% who don't pay income taxes is the same group of people as those who are solid Obama voters.
Trout, he did not address it because you are trying to pin things on him that are not his ideas and not things he believes. You know this and you are being intellectually dishonest in continuing this charade.
No Trout, it is a key issue for you.
Reviewing the thread, it appears that Sirkicky honestly believes that Romney has an inaccurate and out of touch perception of reality , relative to the economic issues of our time, but it is refreshingly honest that Romney revealed these incorrect views in a private setting while pandering to an elite group of supporters and potential donors who hold the same views .
However, this perception is not reconciled with the criticism of McCain for making a statement that kicky disagreed with.
EDIT: No , that is incorrect too. Nevermind. We may never know what Mitt or Kicky are really thinking. Mitt might be being honest or not, we can't be sure, according to Kicky.
However, this perception is not reconciled with the criticism of McCain for making a statement that kicky disagreed with.
EDIT: No , that is incorrect too. Nevermind. We may never know what Mitt or Kicky are really thinking. Mitt might be being honest or not, we can't be sure, according to Kicky.
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