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Woj: Don to the Cavs for Markkanen, Agbaji, Sexton, three unprotected 1sts, two swaps, and a partridge in a pear tree.

whatthe said:
Generally yes, but Woj's paycheck does come from somewhere and currently it is CAA.
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His paycheck comes from ESPN but I understand… he’s repped by CAA… he’s not a stake holder or someone that can fire him.
 
I admire the enthusiasm here, but if unprotected firsts are the end all and be alls that they seem to be for the Jazz, I have a hard time imagining any return for any combo of our trade-aggregatable players being better than the Lakers unprotected 2027 & 2029 picks. That's the prize, and I don't think it's that hard for the Lakers to understand this. They do have some leverage. Just like we have some leverage to the extent that they want to get off Russ. That means (if they're interested) that they may get more choice within the trade constraints (Westbrook's contract + very little more; our hard cap, etc.) than we might prefer. In other words, Vanderbilt may be in play. If we can do a deal without him for the two firsts, then great. But I'm skeptical.

Otherwise, if we sell things of piecemeal, we might get something like (just spitballing here):
- Bogey for Crowder and Craig + 2023 first rounder (say #28) + second rounder (or, if we're lucky a 2025 first, lottery protected as the draft return)
- Clarkson for Boucher & second rounder (or late first if we're lucky) (at trade deadline, because Boucher can't be traded yet)
- Conley for Lonzo & Tony Bradley (as Bulls will insist on staying under luxury tax) + maybe a second, though I think Bulls fans would insist that draft capital go the other direction
- Gay for TPE and top 55 protected second (if we're lucky)
- Beasley for bad salary and either a very late first (if we're lucky) or a 2nd; or maybe something like Beverley's trade with a reclamation project rather than draft capital returning
- Vanderbilt (if not kept) might be able to return a lottery-protected 1st and an unwanted player/salary

I frankly think that expecting all of this from the piecemeal approach is optimistic. And it wouldn't offer nearly as clean a path to both get off salary commitments by 2023 or solve our logjam of guaranteed contracts. So I think I'd prefer the Lakers return to all of these put together (plus there would still be some piecemealing still available after a Lakers trade.)
 
I also think there's a strong school of thought among Lakers' faithful that nothing the Jazz can give back in return is worth the two unprotected picks. That could end up being the reality.
 
idiot said:
I also think there's a strong school of thought among Lakers' faithful that nothing the Jazz can give back in return is worth the two unprotected picks. That could end up being the reality.
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Two unprotected super swaps, 2 2nds, and call it good. They can keep their picks and we get in the lottery/top 5 one or two of those times. :). They can say to their fan base that they kept their picks, lol.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think you have a mental block about Westbrook. The returning salary from Miami in a deal like that is likely a lot worse.

Also, the goal is the top of the Lakers' draft when they are likely to be in the ditch. So, better picks and a less burdensome contract.

The money that will be paid out to Westbrook will be spent one way or another, whether he's here or isn't.
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No, I'm fine with taking Westbrook and giving Bogey and a couple other pieces. But I want BOTH picks and no other bullcrap. I'm OK if Ainge holds firm on that and looks for deals elsewhere if they start making other demands.
 
whatthe said:
Two unprotected super swaps, 2 2nds, and call it good. They can keep their picks and we get in the lottery/top 5 one or two of those times. :). They can say to their fan base that they kept their picks, lol.
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I'm wondering if this would go for the Jazz. I'm not opposed to it. But I'm definitely insisting that the Jazz set the terms of the deal then (or at least Vanderbilt's off the table).
 
whatthe said:
Two unprotected super swaps, 2 2nds, and call it good. They can keep their picks and we get in the lottery/top 5 one or two of those times. :). They can say to their fan base that they kept their picks, lol.
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I have no interest in swaps. I want the picks unprotected, or hell top 5 protect the 2027 if they need to. I'd imagine us trading them for certain assets is just as likely as us using them. That's why we need the actual picks.
 
Engorged On Unborn Gore said:
After switching out NYK for CLE, the Lakers are frankly on notice that Ainge either gets what he asks for or they can trade RW for Fournier.
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LA's going to have some suitors for WB and those picks and Utah isn't the only team with assets to give for them. I think Utah's potential package is the best, but Ainge needs to be careful to not Rose himself with Pelinka. If a good enough framework where both sides get what they want, just close the deal and don't get cute about it.
 
TheStormofWar said:
LA's going to have some suitors for WB and those picks and Utah isn't the only team with assets to give for them. I think Utah's potential package is the best, but Ainge needs to be careful to not Rose himself with Pelinka. If a good enough framework where both sides get what they want, just close the deal and don't get cute about it.
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Assets that move the needle for a championship run that ALSO happen to be mostly expirings? Yeah, there really isn't a lot of teams that can offer that. Now if the Lakers don't want expirings, they COULD get more options, but then you would have to find a team that wants to give up some good players under contract for crap. That is a universe that comprises the Pacers and almost no one else.
 
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